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December 27, 2012, 11:27 PM | #226 |
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This bill is too confusing
Edit: THEY USED THE TERM "ASSAULT PISTOLS" AHAHAHAHA This can't be real
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December 28, 2012, 03:23 AM | #229 |
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One aspect of Feinstein's proposal seems totally unworkable: can you imagine several million "assault weapons" added to the NFA registry and the ATF then trying to process approvals for interstate transportation of those guns.
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December 28, 2012, 07:44 AM | #230 |
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Ok - the NFA stamp is a tax stamp and it's presently $200.00
My big question is, who sets that price and how high can it be set? I'm asking that as a smoker that's paying roughly $38.00 tax on a $2.00 item. |
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Hal, I am worried they would say... "OOPS we never adjusted that tax for inflation etc. so it is now $4,000 for each item..."
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December 28, 2012, 08:22 AM | #232 |
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I worried that nicotine addiction is going to kill Hal, but I'm not in favor of passing laws to force him to quit.
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December 28, 2012, 08:30 AM | #233 |
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Unlike any other item of personal property "arms" are a protected item under the Bill of Rights. To my mind this means "arms" in common use must stay at a tax rate that allows the to continue to be in common use.. Also the fingerprinting, photographing and whatever else they may add places a undo burden on the right.
I am not a lawyer and I know I'm idealistic but this legislation is well beyond the bounds of sanity IMHO.
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December 28, 2012, 08:42 AM | #234 |
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Existing ARs - including M1 carbines - grandfathered, registered, taxed. Upon death of owner have to be surrendered to the government and destroyed.
Sounds a lot like confiscation to me. |
December 28, 2012, 09:07 AM | #235 |
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We've been doing pretty good on the legal front lately. Maybe this will all lead to a monumental decision, in which for example the M4 is recognized as the modern equivalent of the muskets of colonial times. Its unlikely, but its always good for a laugh when their plans backfire on them.
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December 28, 2012, 09:44 AM | #236 | |
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IOW there is no upper limit, and as pointed out in gc70's post, the $200 amount was originally intended to be confiscatory. One interesting historical footnote is that the NFA reportedly prompted gun stores to dump affected inventory at huge losses before the law went into effect, to avoid being stuck with essentially unsaleable items and having to comply with the new mandates. (IIRC this was referenced in the Heller decision of all places!) Quote:
This is one of the fundamental reasons why the NFA is the third rail of American gun politics.
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Well, after Kay Bailey H. in TX started to babble about clips and AWs - blah, blah - I wrote to her to point out the fallacies of such babble.
Her (computer) reply: Quote:
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December 28, 2012, 12:10 PM | #240 |
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I don't think Kay Bailey's computer has been updated to address her new political realities.
As I said in the other (closed) KBH thread, I think she may be preparing to retire into an elder stateswoman role, but it's subsequently occurred to me that she may be preparing to run for Governor after switching parties! How ironic it would be to have an incumbent who switched parties to increase his chances, facing off against a challenger who switched parties to increase her chances...
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Webleymkv, that's a fair point, and I hope you're right.
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December 28, 2012, 02:14 PM | #243 |
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Well January is right around the corner, we'll have to wait and see what Obama, Biden and the rest of the hyena's come up with as a "solution" to all these tragedies.
I just hope we're all right about anything that is attempted to be passed being blocked by the house. We are treading in shark infested waters right now or so it seems. |
December 28, 2012, 02:20 PM | #244 |
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I did just recently read an article (not sure where, I think NY Times) that was speaking of obstacles to gun control. They stated (Wish I could quote it, can't find it anymore) that there is specific legislation put in place to bar the ATF from developing a firearms registry of who owns a firearm. I think the only leverage it has over people is in NFA land, but this would essentially develop the registry that isn't allowed since it would be so widespread... If someone knows which article I'm talking about, please post it .
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December 28, 2012, 02:24 PM | #245 |
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December 28, 2012, 02:55 PM | #246 |
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Believe that applies to non-NFA firearms...what's to keep things from being moved into NFA classification?
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December 28, 2012, 02:58 PM | #247 |
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The NFA has specific writings to ensure that nearly all weapons fall into specific categories. The whole act would have to be rewritten to change it.
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December 28, 2012, 03:34 PM | #248 |
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I have the ABC News app on my iPhone. A day or two ago there was a piece entitled, "The One Man Who Might Stop Gun Control in the Senate." I clicked on it and was delighted to see they were talking about my favorite Senator... Oklahoma Senator Tom Coburn. They listed out various things he has stopped in the past and speculated that he would be willing to do it again.
I've been wishing for years now that we had more Senators that were as fiscally conservative as Senator Coburn. He is that very rare politician who votes to reduce programs and spending EVEN WHEN passing the bill would put money into his district or state. He has taken a lot of flak for it in OK when he voted against bills that would have funded some OK project. But he is consistent, we must explain how we will pay for it first. Hopefully he will be able to link up with some other like-thinking Senators and filibuster anything that is introduced. The sad thing is that he has already announced this is his final term. He won't be running for reelection. He is going to go back and resume his medical practice. We will DEEPLY miss him when he is gone. And I mean all of us, not just people in OK. Gregg |
December 28, 2012, 07:47 PM | #249 |
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Refresh my constitutional scholarship, but don't all new tax bills need to originate in the House of Representatives? See Article I Section 7:
"Section. 7. All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives." Of course these socialists care as much about Article I Section 7 as they do Amendment 2. A new tax on millions of existing firearms would be a revenue bill, no? |
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With the supreme court calling the costs of the health care thing a tax that whole thing about where a bill originates is never going to make mean much I am afraid
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