Unidentifed BP pistol - Page 2

pohill · January 4, 2009, 07:18 PM

I'd say Spiller & Burr but it has the round barrel and there is no release knob for the loading lever, or a hole where there had been one. The SHAWK & MCLANAHAN makes sense, too, but for the grip.
Also, look at this pic of the Spiller & Burr - the barrel threads do not extend inside the frame as they do in the mystery gun (but other models of the S&B did have the threads inside the frame).
http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20ameri...iller%20gb.htm

It also looks like the mystery gun only has two screws in the side of the frame over the trigger, not the three of the S & B,

Riot Earp · January 4, 2009, 07:27 PM

It looks like a crude bastardization of the Spiller & Burr, First Model. The triggerguard is wrong for a real S&B. And so is the barrel, as mentioned.

By the way, there is mention of two "Shawk & McLanahan six-shooters" in Louis L'Amour's novel To Tame A Land, one of his better books. I had no idea what they were when I read the story.

pohill · January 4, 2009, 07:35 PM

Take a look at this Shawk and McLanahan - it doesn't have a release knob in the frame, either.

Hawg · January 4, 2009, 08:24 PM

Close but not exact.

DrLaw · January 4, 2009, 09:53 PM

Looks like the S&M (yeah, try saying that with a straight face

) was a knock-off patent infringment of the Whitney and Remington, both.

I guess they did that a lot before China got into the manufacturing age.

The Doc is out now.

pohill · January 4, 2009, 11:11 PM

If anything, the Remington was a knockoff since it came later. I wonder why Colt didn't produce the full framed revolver that he had a patent for in the 1850s (other than the Root).

Arquebus · January 6, 2009, 07:07 PM

To the OP Have you sent the photo to the guys at the firearms museum at the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, WY? They would probably be able to shed a bit more light on its origins. Depending on were you're at in MT, you may be able to drive the revolver down there to show it to someone at the museum.

January 4, 2009, 07:18 PM	#26
pohill Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2005 Location: northeast Posts: 521	I'd say Spiller & Burr but it has the round barrel and there is no release knob for the loading lever, or a hole where there had been one. The SHAWK & MCLANAHAN makes sense, too, but for the grip. Also, look at this pic of the Spiller & Burr - the barrel threads do not extend inside the frame as they do in the mystery gun (but other models of the S&B did have the threads inside the frame). http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20ameri...iller%20gb.htm It also looks like the mystery gun only has two screws in the side of the frame over the trigger, not the three of the S & B, Last edited by pohill; January 4, 2009 at 07:26 PM.

January 4, 2009, 07:27 PM	#27
Riot Earp Member Join Date: September 27, 2008 Posts: 68	It looks like a crude bastardization of the Spiller & Burr, First Model. The triggerguard is wrong for a real S&B. And so is the barrel, as mentioned. By the way, there is mention of two "Shawk & McLanahan six-shooters" in Louis L'Amour's novel To Tame A Land, one of his better books. I had no idea what they were when I read the story. Last edited by Riot Earp; January 4, 2009 at 07:37 PM.

January 4, 2009, 09:53 PM	#30
DrLaw Senior Member Join Date: June 3, 2007 Location: Wild Western Illinois Posts: 559	Looks like the S&M (yeah, try saying that with a straight face ) was a knock-off patent infringment of the Whitney and Remington, both. I guess they did that a lot before China got into the manufacturing age. The Doc is out now. __________________ General McAuliffe said it best "Nuts."

January 6, 2009, 07:07 PM	#32
Arquebus Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2008 Location: Inland NW Posts: 116	To the OP Have you sent the photo to the guys at the firearms museum at the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, WY? They would probably be able to shed a bit more light on its origins. Depending on were you're at in MT, you may be able to drive the revolver down there to show it to someone at the museum. __________________ "For a man, be he ever so much resolved to do his duty as a parent, can't be flogging his children all day....." The Memoirs of Barry Lyndon, Esq. (William Thackeray).

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January 4, 2009, 07:35 PM	#28
pohill Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2005 Location: northeast Posts: 521	Take a look at this Shawk and McLanahan - it doesn't have a release knob in the frame, either.

January 4, 2009, 08:24 PM	#29
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Close but not exact.

January 4, 2009, 11:11 PM	#31
pohill Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2005 Location: northeast Posts: 521	If anything, the Remington was a knockoff since it came later. I wonder why Colt didn't produce the full framed revolver that he had a patent for in the 1850s (other than the Root).