USA Supressor and Air rifles.

hogdogs · February 23, 2011, 09:14 AM

So the Gamo "Whisper" was left alone because the "can" is integral and not able to be easily modified to a firearm... *or some such wording...

So would a person be able to build a full featured threaded can if it is only bored for .177 pellets?

Or is the existence of the .17 rimfires gonna be a quick end to my research... The way I "farm" my squirrels for reptile food, they are hard to hunt.

Brent

Redbullitt · February 23, 2011, 09:49 AM

You can build whatever you want through the nfa lol.

I do think that you will have an issue thanks to the 17 mag and 17M2.

BUT I could be wrong. May be worth looking into.

Willie Lowman · February 23, 2011, 10:16 AM

If it could be used on a firearm, it's restricted.

KLRANGL · February 23, 2011, 05:27 PM

Theoretically, if you had a .177 pellet rifle with an integral suppressor you would be fine, but the problem is in actually building the suppressor. The ATF seems to think (or so I hear) that a single suppressor baffle would constitute a firearm suppressor. So unless you have a Form 1 laying around, it might not be a good idea to start fabricating baffles even if the end result is in the use of an integral suppressor for an air rifle.

I had this problem a while back while trying to legally customize an airsoft bolt action rifle to one with an integral suppressor. I couldn't find a satisfactory answer, so I dropped the project.

Skans · February 23, 2011, 05:43 PM

Do those integral suppressors on the Gamo rifle actually work? What noise is it suppressing?

chasep255 · February 23, 2011, 08:27 PM

I think that the problem with some to the definitions above is that many things could be theoretically be used as a suppressor. For instance have you ever heard of a soda can suppressor? Well last I checked you don't need to send forms into the ATF to buy a coke.

Also can't some baffles in basic suppressors be made from washers available in a hardware store? If so shouldn't you need a form for these? I'm not trying to say that what the people above posted is wrong because I agree with them but I think it goes to show how screwed up out national firearm laws are. Also on a side note I live in NJ where BB guns, pellet rifles, and even slingshots are regulated as actual firearms and require an FFL:barf:

!!!! I wanted a Gamo Whisper but in my state that is a Class 3 weapon

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Willie Lowman · February 23, 2011, 09:46 PM

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Well last I checked you don't need to send forms into the ATF to buy a coke. Also can't some baffles in basic suppressors be made from washers available in a hardware store? If so shouldn't you need a form for these?

No. You don't need a form 1 to buy a coke but if you put a bottle on the end of your gun you have made that bottle into a NFA item. Do that and you best be ready to accept legal responsibility for what you have done. Same for washers in a pipe attached to the muzzle of your gun.

frick74 · March 9, 2011, 09:21 PM

We wanted to suppress our paintball guns, till we found it was a no no.

Remember back in the day when a company made an adapter to clamp on your barrel that accepted the threads of a 2 liter bottle.

BING! it was off the market a short time later.

Silly that a 2 liter bottle, and a roll of duct tape can be called a suppressor.

Rugerismisticness · April 3, 2011, 07:06 AM

The Whisper actually has very little noise to start with if you use pellets heavy enough to balance the barrel length and powerplant volume. When gamo endorses their stupid PBA junk, thats when it gets loud. BTW, pellets this light (sub 7gr) will actually break the seals and springs in the powerplant. Suppressors used on PCPs and other numatics will certainly quite them down.

A while ago, I worked on an airgun and installed a barrel integrated suppressor in a sort of way. It used the barrel shroud as the suppressor walls, the baffles were foam, and the barrel ran the entire length. I "ported" the barrel where it runs the last 5" of the shroud. This is a very quite method.

February 23, 2011, 09:14 AM	#1
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	USA Supressor and Air rifles. So the Gamo "Whisper" was left alone because the "can" is integral and not able to be easily modified to a firearm... *or some such wording... So would a person be able to build a full featured threaded can if it is only bored for .177 pellets? Or is the existence of the .17 rimfires gonna be a quick end to my research... The way I "farm" my squirrels for reptile food, they are hard to hunt. Brent

February 23, 2011, 10:16 AM	#3
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	If it could be used on a firearm, it's restricted. __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

February 23, 2011, 05:27 PM	#4
KLRANGL Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2008 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 958	Theoretically, if you had a .177 pellet rifle with an integral suppressor you would be fine, but the problem is in actually building the suppressor. The ATF seems to think (or so I hear) that a single suppressor baffle would constitute a firearm suppressor. So unless you have a Form 1 laying around, it might not be a good idea to start fabricating baffles even if the end result is in the use of an integral suppressor for an air rifle. I had this problem a while back while trying to legally customize an airsoft bolt action rifle to one with an integral suppressor. I couldn't find a satisfactory answer, so I dropped the project. __________________ And it's Killer Angel... as in the book

February 23, 2011, 08:27 PM	#6
chasep255 Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 727	I think that the problem with some to the definitions above is that many things could be theoretically be used as a suppressor. For instance have you ever heard of a soda can suppressor? Well last I checked you don't need to send forms into the ATF to buy a coke. Also can't some baffles in basic suppressors be made from washers available in a hardware store? If so shouldn't you need a form for these? I'm not trying to say that what the people above posted is wrong because I agree with them but I think it goes to show how screwed up out national firearm laws are. Also on a side note I live in NJ where BB guns, pellet rifles, and even slingshots are regulated as actual firearms and require an FFL:barf:!!!! I wanted a Gamo Whisper but in my state that is a Class 3 weapon.

February 23, 2011, 09:49 AM	#2
Redbullitt Member Join Date: December 15, 2010 Location: Morgantown WV Posts: 62	You can build whatever you want through the nfa lol. I do think that you will have an issue thanks to the 17 mag and 17M2. BUT I could be wrong. May be worth looking into.

February 23, 2011, 05:43 PM	#5
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	Do those integral suppressors on the Gamo rifle actually work? What noise is it suppressing?

March 9, 2011, 09:21 PM	#8
frick74 Member Join Date: March 7, 2011 Posts: 34	We wanted to suppress our paintball guns, till we found it was a no no. Remember back in the day when a company made an adapter to clamp on your barrel that accepted the threads of a 2 liter bottle. BING! it was off the market a short time later. Silly that a 2 liter bottle, and a roll of duct tape can be called a suppressor.

April 3, 2011, 07:06 AM	#9
Rugerismisticness Senior Member Join Date: December 22, 2010 Posts: 909	The Whisper actually has very little noise to start with if you use pellets heavy enough to balance the barrel length and powerplant volume. When gamo endorses their stupid PBA junk, thats when it gets loud. BTW, pellets this light (sub 7gr) will actually break the seals and springs in the powerplant. Suppressors used on PCPs and other numatics will certainly quite them down. A while ago, I worked on an airgun and installed a barrel integrated suppressor in a sort of way. It used the barrel shroud as the suppressor walls, the baffles were foam, and the barrel ran the entire length. I "ported" the barrel where it runs the last 5" of the shroud. This is a very quite method.