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December 23, 2012, 10:32 PM | #1 |
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What's the difference between the 870 Police...
...and the 870 HD Express?
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December 24, 2012, 01:19 AM | #2 |
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Better finish...blued or real parkerizing vs. cheaper rust-prone Express finish. Stronger springs throughout. And I think the extractor is a forged part rather than MIM. That's about it.
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December 24, 2012, 07:55 AM | #3 |
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Correct. Finish, carrier dog spring, and extractor. Depending on the year of manufacturer the Express may also have dimples in the mag tube.
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December 24, 2012, 07:59 AM | #4 |
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Is switching out the carrier dog spring and extractor fairly cheap/easy? Might be a nice project to swap those two parts on my 870 Express Tactical and get a nice refinishing done from Robar or someone.
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December 24, 2012, 09:12 AM | #5 |
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One other difference is that the trigger guard is metal, vs. plastic on the other models.
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December 24, 2012, 12:19 PM | #6 |
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The difference is $30 in parts and parkerizing and furniture.
LITERALLY. There is one Remington 870, and they all differ in the finish and furniture and in the case of Police 870P, about $30 in parts ( i think its 4 ? parts?). I have an 870 Tactical which is an Express model, the finish sucks lemons, I have to admit. I am thinking about the Wilson Combat upgrade but regardless, it's about $30 in parts and parkerized vs cheap-aced bluing called 'matte powercoat' in the Express and really nice deep shiny rich bluing in the Wingmasters and thats it. (Oh and furniture- different stock and forends.) |
December 24, 2012, 12:35 PM | #7 |
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There is better fit and finishing on the inside, where it counts,as well.
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December 27, 2012, 03:45 AM | #9 |
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Remington
Remington states in their web site the the "police" 870 is made on a dedicated line by senior employees (my lingo not theirs) and that there is more hand fitting and inspection on the police guns.
They also have the HD parts as described. |
December 27, 2012, 06:18 AM | #10 |
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Now I don't mean to nitpick but because you seem to want to get technical, I will get equally technical.
Would you not agree that assembly by senior employees, hand fitting, and more inspections, actually in fact is not a physical difference? Because while those things may be true, actual differences as in you pick up an 870P and then you pick up an 870 'Express', and attempt to quantify the differences, the differences are like 4 or 5 parts totaling about $30, and the finish of the metal. (Furniture aside because you can of course put any furniture you want on any of them, so you could remove the fancy wood of a Wingmaster and put it on an Express or put synthetic cheap plastic stuff on a trap beauty Wingmaster or for example even better, the old style Police models had solid-ace wood with nice design and checkering and now Police and most tactical things of the world use synthetic 'blacktical' furniture). I am not knocking the 870P in fact I want to make my 870 Tac a P model, but literally its like 4 parts and parkerizing, and poof. Identical. |
December 27, 2012, 11:17 AM | #11 |
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This was originally posted by Scattergun Bob here on this site, and he was not an Express basher, to the contrary, but facts are fact and we can all agree that the Express fit and finish is not trending upwards:
"I still have a unfired 870P in the safe and recently I hauled it down to the shop to compare with some express HD guns that came in. After examining both side by side my original thoughts STILL stand, you get what you pay for and there is a difference in fit, finish and quality between the 870P and the 870 express regardless of what name Remington packages the Express by." |
January 4, 2013, 02:41 AM | #12 |
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Just describing the differences as I understand them. For a gun I might bet my life on, or somebody else's, I want the upgraded parts and the detailed assembly.
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Actually... the 870 police are hand built by an entirely different team of employees with much closer attention to detail, fit and finish... here is the excerpt from Remington, themselves regarding the differences...
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