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May 19, 2008, 11:08 AM | #1 |
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Double barreled pump shot gun
Anyone ever make a double barreled pump shotgun?
I was thinking about a 18" barrel 3.5" chamber magnum shotgun. Two barrels, Two, magazine tubes, but one pump action. Have a 2 stage triger where the first stage fires barrel one, second stage barrel two and then repump the gun. This would be made with a downward cartridge ejecting action. Perfect for home defense or military. 16 sht capacity. 14 in magazine tube 2 in barrels. You could load one magazine tube with #4 buck and the other 00buck. or you could load one magazine tube with slugs and the other 000 buck. Is this a good idea or another one of my stress induced halucanagenic stupid ideas.
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Here you go:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=280902 Project 1740 compliments of THR and Deer Hunter. Modify to suit. |
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Moe, the bartender on "The Simpsons" uses a double barreled pump, but with only one magazine tube...
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May 19, 2008, 12:27 PM | #4 |
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I would call that the ultimate solution in search of a problem.
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would that mean you would have to fire both barrels before working the slide so as not to eject live ammo??
Interesting concept though - kinda like those kits that let you mount 2 Ruger 10/22 side by side and have that rotating "full-auto" trigger gizmo.... |
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I envision a single wide reciever. Not two seperate recievers welded together.
Both bolts are connected together and work as one unit. there are 2 hammers one for each bolt but only one trigger housing unit which connects a two stage trigger one to each hammer. The 2 barrels and 2 magazine tubes would be one piece of steel. Basically a 18" x3"x3" regtangular piece of steel that has 2 bored out barrels and 2 bored out magazine tubes.( you could smothe the angles a little and give it a rounder shape and lighter feel) You could reduce size of the reciever by having a striker fired firing mechanism like the glocks. (no hammers) infact it might be possible to mill out the entire shotgun except the stock and forearm from a single piece of rectangular steel. Milling is slow, but possible for a one man shop. If you want mass production you could have the entire barrel/reciever unit cast forged as a single unit.
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May 19, 2008, 02:23 PM | #8 |
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a double barreled pump shotgun that can fire 16 rounds reliably and rapidly sounds like a good thing for the military or for home defense.
And the most important reason is that it would probably be perfectly legal to make as long as you filled out the right paperwork.
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When your done with your double barrel pump why not go for a double barreled lever action.
This sounds like somthing I woulda thought was cool when I was a kid, now it sounds kinda, well its just not my thing. |
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I have to ask... why use a pump at all... if you used auto shotgun (s) the separate or together pumps, & the dumping of live ammo is no problem, auto eject each chamber as a trigger is pulled
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On another note, I think Joe on "Family Guy" used a double barreled pump in one of the episodes... |
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I think you need a parachute to slow you down when fired. Thats a hell of alot of recoil. Would you make this in a youth model also? LOL
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Are you planning on making a "Featherweight" version too?? Something lighter than an old BAR machine gun?.
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They made a twin mag-tube, single barrel pump that was called a "Winter Swatriplex" twin 9 round tube mags. Looked cool in the mag but I guess it never caught on enough to be produced in any numbers. May find something on it if you google it.
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how about one trigger pull and 2 shots fired at the same time? instead of a 2 stage trigger. it'll hurt like hell. but, wasn't there a guy that took 2 rem. 1100 12 ga. shotguns. 1 left hand and 1 right hand model. somehow secured them together,they each had a 10 shot mag tube. connected to a single trigger. wish i had a picture of it. i bet that thing was heavy but load something like that up with a mix of #1 buck and 00 buck. 3" or 3.5" shells. something is gonna get tore the hell up.
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Besides you are going to need forklift to carry it around. |
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I think each barrel firing seperately would be a better Idea. You fire one shot, if you miss there is already one availible in the next barrel. No pumping needed to get off second shot. The firing rate would sound like this.
bang bang pump, bang bang pump, bang bang pump, bang bang pump....... There is nothing wrong with the semi auto idea except that it would be harder to make and possible be harder to get approved to make and sell than a pump action model. I was also thinking about using factory mossberg 500, or remington 870 parts, for the bolts, extractors, hammers and a modified trigger housing group. Being that this shotgun would be a 1 piece unit, except for the stock and forearm pump, If you ever ran out of ammo it would make one massive club you could use. This way all I need is a 28" x4"x4" block of stainless steel and then I can mill it and use factory parts for everything else.
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Just buy the old Ithaca that fires with the trigger held back and pump the hell out of her.
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IIRC the Neostead bullpup (auto) had tin mag tubes and single barrel. A lot of weird shotguns come from S. Africa
This made me think of the Crossfire 12 ga./.223 (and some .308). O/U, rifle fed by AR mags, SG held 4 rounds in a box. One trigger. Sort of like the Northstar AR/870 coupling in principle. It could have been the perfect package in a grab and go SHTF long gun, but this weapon was complete crap. Have never heard any positive reviews or one proud owner to vouch for it. Quite the opposite. |
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It would make a terrible gun impractical and unmanagable.
The weight forward would make it a slow handling gun, hard to move and hard to point. The actual weight would be about 14 lbs unloaded and another pound and a half of shells? Forget it. The cycling after every two shots would guarantee errors made in any combat situation, you would either pump too soon or too late....both bad. Jeff |
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interesting...
I would think that I would like an 18in.barrel - but for the sake of lesser weight and practical recoil wouldn't mind say an 8 round capacity and a single trigger<no both barrels going off at the same time> It would in essence give the shooter a little more speed and focus ie. shuck- bang-bang, shuck bang-bang - instead of the traditional shuck-bang,shuck-bang. It might be nicer/faster in a 20ga.than in a 12ga. - and the two barrels might give the shooter some more versatile ammo patterns ie. one barrel one load an the other barrel another load variation... <mount a lazer & have one barrel firing slugs and the other barrel firing buckhsot!>
To have it really eccentric - make it a 16ga. |
May 27, 2008, 05:34 PM | #23 |
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This sounds like an answer insearch of problem.
I don't really see the benefit of two barrels. A semi-auto will essentially cycle as fast as you can pull the trigger, so having an extra barrel with a shell already chambered isn't going to give you any substantial time/speed advantage. Is this shotgun going to have a single trigger to operate both barrels or two triggers? By the time a single trigger is released far enough to reset or the finger moves to a second trigger, a semi-auto would have the chamber reloaded. A magazine or drum fed semi-auto would be far superior.
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May 27, 2008, 07:44 PM | #24 |
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Why is Saiga the only company to make a shotgun that has a detachable magazine?
I honestly hoped some American companies would institute such a design. |
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