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Old April 25, 2018, 07:36 PM   #1
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Help me decide,223 budget bolt gun.

I need a 223 bolt action and have to decide between a used savage axis with bushnell scope for$199,or a tc compass for $250 after rebate.It will be used mostly for informal range use and woods carrying.I think the savage might be a half pound lighter .I would appreciate any input,in my experience the compass are very accurate.
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Old April 25, 2018, 07:53 PM   #2
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The Savage Axis is also a goid shooter with an excellent trigger. $199 including a scope? That rounds like a good deal if it's in good shape.
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Old April 26, 2018, 08:54 AM   #3
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Yea I'm leaning toward the savage,but I have two compass s and they shoot.
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Old April 26, 2018, 10:10 AM   #4
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My T/C Compass .223 is more than I expected.
I fired the first four rounds at 50 yards, and while the group was just barely on the 8 1/2 x 11 target, it measured .552".
After adjusting the no name scope that came in the deal from Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore, the second group measured .306", third group .356, and the fourth group was in the 10 ring and measured .382".
I was not using premium ammo.
I used my first ever hand loaded .223 Remington consisting of:
Once fired Lake City 5.56 cases.
Bulk Hornady 55 gr soft point bullets
H4895 powder
CCI 400 primers

Not bad for the first outing with the Compass.
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Old April 26, 2018, 11:58 AM   #5
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Wow, that's what I thought they shot,I was just getting ready to get the savage but I better wait and see,thanks for the info.
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Old April 26, 2018, 12:00 PM   #6
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I would like to know about heavier bullets too. The barrel s are 1/9.
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Old April 26, 2018, 12:03 PM   #7
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An Axis is an entry level hunting rifle. No adjustable trigger, but does have a detachable 4 round mag. Weighs 6.5 lbs. without the scope.
A Compass is also an entry level hunting rifle. Doesn't come with sights, but holds 5 in the mag. Scoping it will cost at least as much as the rifle at $250. Mind you, it won't be much of a scope for that money. Weighs 3/4 of a pound more without the scope.
Based on the money only, I'd be thinking Savage. 1 in 9 is ok for heavier bullets, but not the really heavy stuff available now. Up to 77 grains will do nicely.
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Old April 26, 2018, 02:51 PM   #8
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Got this from another forum...just passing it along..These figures are based on 3000 FPS

1:12 twist will go about 180,000 RPM so it will require a bullet from 42 to 55 GR. 48 grains is an average. this is a good bullet weight to start out with.

1:9 240,000 rpm will reguire a bullet 55 to 72 average 63 gr.*
* 55 gr is where I started...I just need to shoot more with the .223 before, if at all I change. I just punch paper.

1:8 270,000 rpm - bullet from 60 to 78 average 67 gr

1:7 308,000 rpm - bullet from 62 to 85 average 70 gr
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Old April 26, 2018, 03:30 PM   #9
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The big sticking point is the threaded barrel. I think it's something I would really use,but I also need a light gun to help my old knees.How are the savage plain triggers?
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Old April 26, 2018, 03:46 PM   #10
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I called the dealer they still have the savage,but at $199 I don't think it's going to last very long,I better decide by tomorrow.
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Old April 26, 2018, 03:47 PM   #11
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Howa makes a nice bargain rifle.
Made in Japan by a company that has been making rifles since WWII.
A really nice rifle that is often overlooked.
They have a 20" barrel 223 that comes with adjustable trigger. Available in light, medium, or heavy barrel contour.
https://www.americanhunter.org/artic...a-mini-action/
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Old April 26, 2018, 06:40 PM   #12
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Forget the Savage. Get a Ruger American and be done.
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Got this from another forum...just passing it along..These figures are based on 3000 FPS

1:12 twist will go about 180,000 RPM so it will require a bullet from 42 to 55 GR. 48 grains is an average. this is a good bullet weight to start out with.

1:9 240,000 rpm will reguire a bullet 55 to 72 average 63 gr.*
* 55 gr is where I started...I just need to shoot more with the .223 before, if at all I change. I just punch paper.

1:8 270,000 rpm - bullet from 60 to 78 average 67 gr

1:7 308,000 rpm - bullet from 62 to 85 average 70 gr
Charts are nice and all but my 1:9" .223 shoots 69-75gr bullets best at my elevation. I have a hard time with 55gr and below.

Maybe my barrel was mis-twisted which is surprising given it was sold as a predator rifle.

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The Savage Axis is also a goid shooter with an excellent trigger. $199 including a scope? That rounds like a good deal if it's in good shape.
What's a "goid shooter"? Silly, me.
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Old May 9, 2018, 03:06 AM   #15
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T/C Compass $299.00

5R Rifling
Free-Floated Barrel
Weaver-Style Bases
60° Bolt Lift for Scope Clearance
3-Position Safety with Bolt Lock
Effective Recoil Pad
Positive, Single-Stage Trigger
Detachable Rotary Box Magazine
Pillar Bedded Action
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I need a 223 bolt action and have to decide between a used savage axis with bushnell scope for$199,or a tc compass for $250 after rebate.It will be used mostly for informal range use and woods carrying.I think the savage might be a half pound lighter .I would appreciate any input,in my experience the compass are very accurate.
I would be careful with any late model modern used savage. They do produce the occasional lemon. I could say the same for anyone. It maybe due to popularity but seems like ruger and savage lead the pack on production snafus.

Some people shoot massive quantities of 223 ammo in their rifles. Another variable with a used gun that fires dirt cheap ammo.

If both guns were new, it would seem a better question to compare the two. I would go TC in this specific case and not get into pimping my favorite.

I believe at one time TC had a 1moa accuracy guarantee. Is that still true or for the compass?

Only having $200 for a rifle, suggests the OP does not have an extra $100 or $200 for ammo testing. Any way you figure it, getting a bad gun can be costly.

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Old May 9, 2018, 06:23 AM   #17
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I called the dealer they still have the savage,but at $199 I don't think it's going to last very long,I better decide by tomorrow.
What's wrong with Mossberg's .223?

I forget the name of the specific model (Mossy experts will know: MVP?/Patrol?/Scout?), but as I recall it's gotten positive reviews.

It's decently accurate, light-weight, and accepts standard AR mags.
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Old May 9, 2018, 06:31 AM   #18
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T/C Compass $299.00

5R Rifling
Free-Floated Barrel
Weaver-Style Bases
60° Bolt Lift for Scope Clearance
3-Position Safety with Bolt Lock
Effective Recoil Pad
Positive, Single-Stage Trigger
Detachable Rotary Box Magazine
Pillar Bedded Action
Sounds good, yes. I was surprised to examine a TC and note how similar it was to the Ruger American. It was as-if the bolts would interchange! I was wondering if Ruger was actually building the TC or someone might be on the verge of a patent infringement. No on both counts.

Me things, bedding blocks (pillars) are the big plus to getting the most accuracy for least cost on an econ plastic stock gun. Probably wood too if the industry was so inclined.

Excuse the OT ramble. Back to pimping
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