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November 7, 2017, 01:08 PM | #1 |
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scope issue with my Henry .45/70
Bought a Bushnell 3500 Elite 2-7x32 and went to sight in on Sunday. I ran out of elevation adjustment at 50 yards. I have never had this issue with a scope before. Any ideas? I'm still shooting a good 6 inches low from POA.
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November 7, 2017, 02:03 PM | #2 |
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Your scope has an internal adjustment value of 50 MOA which in general turns to 25 Moa up and 25 Moa down. At 50 yds that does not give you a lot of adjustment elevation if each click is 1/4 at 100 yds. and you still need to go up 6".
Depending on type of mounts used maybe it is possible that you place the front mount in the back and the back mount in the front. Reverse mounts and see if that makes a different. Also on your elevation mount turn the dial up all the way and slowly count each click as you turn it all the way down you should count 50 or 51 clicks most scopes will vary and some may short you a click or two. If you do not count at least 50 clicks your scope does not have the specified MOA elevation for that scope. Return it to Bushnell for a replacement. One last note the scope is on the lower cost of the Bushnell spectrum and cannot handle the recoil of the 45-70. Insure that the cross hairs have not come loose.
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November 7, 2017, 03:55 PM | #3 |
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I think the math is off in the above post. Correct me if I'm wrong. If you have 25moa of adjustment up and 25moa down (total of 50) and each click is 1/4" at 100 yards, you'd have to move it 100 clicks to get the scope to move 25moa at that distance. Although this isn't Bushnell's best scope, it's far from being a bad scope. It's covered under their 100% lifetime guarantee. I once had a Bushnell scope that had nothing wrong with it and got a full refund from them which included my shipping costs. I had cataracts and didn't know it, and I couldn't see the mil dots. They very nicely gave me all my money back and I bought another scope with the money that had thicker cross hairs instead of dots. It wasn't part of the refund that I had to buy another scope, they just were good on their word about their complete satisfaction guarantee. FWIW, I've never had a Bushnell scope fail for any reason and I've owned a dozen or so of them. If your scope is tracking when you move the adjustments, it's probably the mounts the scope is attached to. They either need to be reversed, or you need to use something like Burris Signature Zee rings with the inserts to change poi for up and down and left and right. I doubt your problem is the scope.
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November 7, 2017, 05:19 PM | #4 |
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Thanks for the replies. I'm using weaver rings and base. I don't believe there is a front or rear to either, but i'll check that. As far as the scope, one of the features is supposed to be the ability to handle magnum loads. Which is why I chose it for this rifle. I'll count the clicks and check the rings and base and report any findings.
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November 7, 2017, 05:36 PM | #5 |
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358 clicks from top out to bottom out.
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November 7, 2017, 08:35 PM | #7 |
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yes, i have the 63B base. i have ordered a leupold base from Henry and will try that. i don't think it's the scope, but time will tell. i'm using Hornady ammo. i've had great results with that ammo and iron sights.
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November 7, 2017, 08:49 PM | #8 |
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Let me know how it turns out.
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November 7, 2017, 11:29 PM | #9 |
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There is definitely something wrong. The bullet is starting out 1.5" below the line of sight and hitting the target 6" below the line of sight. Either the base is improperly mounted, the rings are not properly mounted, the scope is defective, or the front bell of the scope is touching and not allowing the scope to sit level in the mounts. Pretty simple. Check out those possibilities and you will find your issue.
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November 8, 2017, 01:55 AM | #10 |
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After reading my post I can see why NoSecondBest thought the math is wrong. I was being very general. I was just quoting that the scopes states that it has 50 MOA so that is 25 Moa up and 25 down. And you are correct that it would take 100 clicks at 1/4 click to move up 25 Moa at 100. Each click at 50 yards than have a 1/8 inch value. So for him to be topping off at 50 yds tells me there is something wrong with the scope. It seems that the scope at 358 clicks is giving less than 20 total Moa elevation.
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November 9, 2017, 10:01 AM | #12 |
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Sometimes. But not always. Tweaking the cartridges powder charge may help in such high/low targeting circumstances.
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November 10, 2017, 01:35 PM | #13 |
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Dang. That's far enough off that you should be able to look down the barrel and see that the scope tube is not parallel with your gun. Wonder if there's something wrong where they drilled the mounting holes in the receiver or something? (I'm not familiar with the Henrys.)
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November 10, 2017, 02:34 PM | #14 |
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I wrote an article on my blog about how to sight in a scope. The article has a section about troubleshooting problems like this. The short summary is: remove the scope and rails, inspect everything carefully, then put it all back. Often this process resolves issues with things being out of alignment.
The article is here: How to Sight in a Scope And the section with details about remounting a scope is here: Remounting a Scope with Extra Care
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November 11, 2017, 08:32 AM | #15 |
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I have on more then one occasion shimmed the mount base and gotten out of trouble.
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November 15, 2017, 03:26 PM | #17 |
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Well I changed the mount and rings to Leupold and just came from the range. Same results. The scope just runs out of elevation. Going to contact Bushnell shortly and arrange a return.
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December 10, 2017, 12:28 PM | #18 |
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If you have a 45-70 sighted in at 100 yards you will be shocked to look through the bore. With the sights on the target the bore will point about 3 feet higher. If you mount a scope use the Burris rings with the eccentric inserts to take care of the gross adjustment.
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December 11, 2017, 04:57 PM | #19 |
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Call Henry and talk w/ their cust service dept.
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December 25, 2017, 07:23 PM | #20 |
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I have and shoot a Marlin 45-70 with a variety of loads, including home loads, and I typically use a laser bore sighter to get on paper with a new rifle and the same with this one. No way my Marlin (new manufacture) has to be aimed three feet above the target to be on at 100 yards. The Hornady stuff is 3 inches high for a 200 yard zero. Anyways, most likely the Henry might have barrel droop or at least the barrel is not in alignment with the receiver. There is nothing unusual about a 45-70 that should require shims or find a scope wanting for more elevation at only 100 yards.
Anyways, hope it gets on target without out to much more fuss. 3T |
December 26, 2017, 06:31 AM | #21 |
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If possible I would give another scope a quick try. That may point to what is wrong. You seem to have already eliminated the base and rings as the problem.
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