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Old May 24, 2015, 03:57 PM   #1
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Quiqley down under rifle...BP 45/70

I'm told this one is a 45/70, Black Powder, US GOV EMF CO IAB Gardon VT, rifle.
I remember being told it was 45/70 vice 50 cal, but the BP I didn't know. It's now part of a probate issue and I can't get my hands on it. This is the best picture I have of it.
Anything that can be shared to support or defend the description, as well as an average value would be nice.
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Old May 24, 2015, 08:16 PM   #2
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What you probably have there is a replica of the Sharps rifle made by Pedersoli and imported by EMF. It is not a Quigley model, Quigley models are based on the fictitious gun used by Tom Selleck in the movie Quigley Down Under. Generally speaking, a Quigley model will have fancier wood, a patch box on the right side of the butt, and a pewter forearm cap. If anything, it most closely resembles the Sharps Business Rifle. This was the name the actual Sharps company used to describe their basic rifle in the 19th Century. This link will take you to the Sharps rifles imported by EMF. Notice the one called the Down Under Sporting Model. That is a Quigley Model.

http://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/...rsoli-c451.htm

This link will take you to the Pedersoli Sharps Business Rifle imported by Dixie Gunworks. Notice the double set triggers, and plain wooden forearm. The only real difference between your rifle and these is yours has checkering on the wrist of the butt and forearm. But I still think it is a Pedersoli Sharps Business Rifle.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product...oducts_id=3469

Gardone is a firearm manufacturing area in Italy, and several firearm manufacturers are based there, including Pedersoli, Beretta, and Uberti. Since that is a modern firearm produced with modern steels, it is not limited to Black Powder, it can be fired with smokeless 45-70 ammunition that meets current SAAMI standards.

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Old May 24, 2015, 08:40 PM   #3
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The IAB Sharps are made by Pedretti, not Pedersoli.
They are a notch lower in quality and less predictable. A Google finds a few that are really nice, some that are interesting DIY shop projects, and some that are pretty sad.

A friend has one imported by Sile. It shoots quite well with jacketed bullets but he has not been able to come up with a cast bullet load to do nearly as well. It may be one of the ones that needs to be rechambered to .45-90 to get a good throat.
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Old May 24, 2015, 09:03 PM   #4
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With the checkering and double set triggers I would say it's a sporting rifle. The business rifle had no checkering and a single trigger like my 63.

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Old May 24, 2015, 09:13 PM   #5
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Quigley Down Under Rifle

From the movie, rounds in his belt, must have weighed a ton, they look like .45-120 or maybe .45-110.
i haven't seen a rerun in a while but I looked at a .45-70 round it seems shorter than what was in the movie.
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Old May 24, 2015, 09:22 PM   #6
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Q had a Shiloh .45 x 2 7/8" aka .45-110.
The foreign knockoffs are usually either .45-70 because it is standardized or .45 x 3 1/4" aka .45-120 because it is the biggest.

The IAB seems not to be an accurate replica of any particular model, just what was convenient to flange up.
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Old May 25, 2015, 03:40 PM   #7
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I believe they have the wrong hammer for the 74 also. fyi
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Old May 25, 2015, 10:57 PM   #8
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Yes, the hammer is more like the percussion and cartridge conversion Sharps.
And a lot of them have an inauthentic, awkward, and ugly firing pin block "safety."
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Old May 25, 2015, 11:25 PM   #9
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Who told you that one was a Quigley Model?
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Old May 26, 2015, 05:52 AM   #10
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Who told you is was a Quigley?
From all the description (and the OPs's other similar posts since joining two days ago), I believe the
OP used a generic term, and is looking at a list as described in a will/estate lot.
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Old May 26, 2015, 12:13 PM   #11
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"Quigley" is now generic for any Sharps in some circles?
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Old May 26, 2015, 04:22 PM   #12
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Gun Quigley used was a Shiloh Sharps 1874. 34 inch barrel. 45-110 metallic cartride. 540 grain paper patch bullet. Überti makes a copy but I think barrel is 30 inches.
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Old June 2, 2015, 08:02 AM   #13
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quigly gun

wasn't it a 45/120 cal. cartridge gun?
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Old June 2, 2015, 05:25 PM   #14
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Nope.... 34" 45-110/540 (as Wendy mentioned)

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRKUMUPcR7k

(although I could do without the `92Win sound effects)
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Old June 23, 2015, 05:55 AM   #15
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.45 Caliber Sharps rifle with a 34 inches barrel is on offer D.Pedersoli.
To shoot a Sharps rifle with 45/120 , Sharps must be given to the Firm that it does a modification of Sharps - a Really good gunsmith.
In Europe in Germany is the firm Sharpsdoctor, they modifying guns like the client wants length cases - 70, 90, 110, 120.
Also available in percussion - the cases have non return valve in place were was primer. So fire from the case during ignition of powder will not return in the nipple.
This modification is expensive because the cost of processing is approximately $ 1,500. but people are doing it.

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Old June 23, 2015, 10:48 AM   #16
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Good to Go Phill. If I could speak-write [French/Germany/Italian/Russian/Greek?, etc] as well as you can English, I'd be well ahead of the game.

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