Black Powder on sale

Gaucho Gringo · May 28, 2015, 08:13 PM

Grafs has their house brand BP on sale for $12.99 lb. Cheaper than when I bought 2 years ago. Need to order some more. If you can get a couple of other people to go in on a buy ends up being a good deal.

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Andy Griffith · May 28, 2015, 11:38 PM

The only one I see that is a deal is their house brand "Reinactor" at $12.03 delivered ($300.84 for a 25lb case).

Graf's regular powder granulations come out to be $361.20 a case (of 25) delivered.

Kik from Powder Inc is $352.50 per case (any granulation), and I know it's graphite coated, and I like it as well as Goex for general purpose use.

Isn't Graf's just relabeled Kik, but not coated with graphite? I remember someone having a post about it a long time ago, but I'm not certain if that is right or not... Just need to call and ask them I guess.

Or am I thinking of Jack's Powder Keg? I know at least some of his are not coated, as I have a couple of pounds of it.

I may have to get some of their "Reinactor" and try it in some shotgun shells.

I'm always looking for the brand with the most smoke!

thallub · May 29, 2015, 09:41 AM

Graf's blackpowder is made by Wano Schwartzpulver of Germany.

Quote:

A new formulation of black powder developed by Wano Schwarzpulver of Germany for Graf & Sons utilizing premium grade Alder Charcoal.

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/...productId/5404

Fingers McGee · May 29, 2015, 10:52 AM

Grafs is relabeled Scheutzen and is an excellent powder. Depending on weather conditions, cleanup of my '73 Winchester in 44-40 after a CAS match takes about 4 patches & 5 - 10 minutes.

B.L.E. · May 29, 2015, 07:35 PM

On the other hand, KIK is made in Kammik, Slovenia by Kemijska industrija Kamnik d.d. You can see where the initials "KIK" come from.

I have heard a lot of good things about it. A lot of the ml bench rest shooters are starting to use it instead of Swiss or when Swiss is not available.

**4V50 Gary** · May 30, 2015, 11:18 AM

Thanks for the heads up. My club wants powder.

Andy Griffith · June 2, 2015, 11:21 AM

On a KIK vs Scheutzen, it's really a toss up for me, but it *feels* to me that the KIK fouling seems a bit softer in my 24" to 30" barreled rifles, but I can't prove it- only opinion.

Is there a ANSI test to determine fouling hardness?

maillemaker · June 3, 2015, 10:33 AM

I tried Shuetzen - very dirty powder compared to Goex. I could only load about 3 Wilkinson bullets using it before loading got excessively crunchy.

I'll never use Shuetzen again.

Steve

May 28, 2015, 08:13 PM	#1
Gaucho Gringo Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2007 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 366	Black Powder on sale Grafs has their house brand BP on sale for $12.99 lb. Cheaper than when I bought 2 years ago. Need to order some more. If you can get a couple of other people to go in on a buy ends up being a good deal. https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog...process%22%3B} __________________ 357 Taurus Gaucho, 22 Heritage RR, 2-Pietta 1858 44 NMA Remingtons, Pietta, Euroarms & ASM 36 1851 Navies, 31 Uberti 1849, 12 ga H&R Topper, 16 Ga Western Field, 43 Spanish Remington Rolling Block, 44 ASM Colt Walker, High Point C9 9mm, Winchester 1906 22, Rossi 62 22 rifle, Uberti 1860, H&A & IJ 32 S&W BreakTop, 36 Euroarms 1858, 32 H&R 04, 22mag NAA SS BP revolver, .44 Rodgers & Spencer, IJ 38 S&W BreakTop, IJ 22 Sealed 8

May 28, 2015, 11:38 PM	#2
Andy Griffith Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2009 Location: Macon Co. NC Posts: 591	The only one I see that is a deal is their house brand "Reinactor" at $12.03 delivered ($300.84 for a 25lb case). Graf's regular powder granulations come out to be $361.20 a case (of 25) delivered. Kik from Powder Inc is $352.50 per case (any granulation), and I know it's graphite coated, and I like it as well as Goex for general purpose use. Isn't Graf's just relabeled Kik, but not coated with graphite? I remember someone having a post about it a long time ago, but I'm not certain if that is right or not... Just need to call and ask them I guess. Or am I thinking of Jack's Powder Keg? I know at least some of his are not coated, as I have a couple of pounds of it. I may have to get some of their "Reinactor" and try it in some shotgun shells. I'm always looking for the brand with the most smoke! __________________ Barney Fife: "Nip it, nip it, nip it!" Andy Griffith:"Oh now Barn'...."

May 29, 2015, 10:52 AM	#4
Fingers McGee Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2008 Location: High & Dry in Missouri Ozarks Posts: 2,113	Grafs is relabeled Scheutzen and is an excellent powder. Depending on weather conditions, cleanup of my '73 Winchester in 44-40 after a CAS match takes about 4 patches & 5 - 10 minutes. __________________ Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee - AKA Man of Many Colts - Alter ego of Diabolical Ken; SASS Regulator 28564-L-TG; Rangemaster and stage writer extraordinaire; Frontiersman, Pistoleer, NRA Endowment Life, NMLRA, SAF, CCRKBA, STORM 327, SV115; Charter member, Central Ozarks Western Shooters Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision see things as they are, not as they should be. Ambrose Bierce

May 29, 2015, 07:35 PM	#5
B.L.E. Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2008 Location: Somewhere on the Southern shore of Lake Travis, TX Posts: 2,603	On the other hand, KIK is made in Kammik, Slovenia by Kemijska industrija Kamnik d.d. You can see where the initials "KIK" come from. I have heard a lot of good things about it. A lot of the ml bench rest shooters are starting to use it instead of Swiss or when Swiss is not available. __________________ Hanlon's Razor "Do not invoke conspiracy as explanation when ignorance and incompetence will suffice, as conspiracy implies intelligence and organization."

May 30, 2015, 11:18 AM	#6
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,840	Thanks for the heads up. My club wants powder. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

June 2, 2015, 11:21 AM	#7
Andy Griffith Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2009 Location: Macon Co. NC Posts: 591	On a KIK vs Scheutzen, it's really a toss up for me, but it feels to me that the KIK fouling seems a bit softer in my 24" to 30" barreled rifles, but I can't prove it- only opinion. Is there a ANSI test to determine fouling hardness? __________________ Barney Fife: "Nip it, nip it, nip it!" Andy Griffith:"Oh now Barn'...."

June 3, 2015, 10:33 AM	#8
maillemaker Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2010 Posts: 1,635	I tried Shuetzen - very dirty powder compared to Goex. I could only load about 3 Wilkinson bullets using it before loading got excessively crunchy. I'll never use Shuetzen again. Steve