Howell's cylinder in a new Uberti 1858, problem with lock up

noelf2 · February 5, 2012, 01:42 PM

Got my new 5 shot conversion cylinder yesterday, ordered from Howell's. Fit's my carbine very well. Only issue is if I cock the hammer slowly the hand doesn't advance the cylinder far enough for the bolt to catch. I can advance it into battery with just a slight, and I mean slight, turn/touch. If I pull the hammer more briskly, the momentum of the cylinder will always advance it into full battery. I don't want to modify anything on the carbine, so I'll probably have to live with the issue. Just a bit worried if I forget and don't ensure the cylinder is in full battery before I fire. I think the hammer would still hit the firing pins, it's that close. Anyone else have this issue with the 5 shot Howell's cylinders?

noelf2 · February 15, 2012, 09:34 AM

I spoke with Chris at Howell's and he's going to make a different back plate (cap) for me next time they run a bunch of caps. I measured the difference from hammer fully pulled (cylinder cycled as far as it would go) and the remaining bit of turn to get the bolt to fall in the cylinder notch. Was .072 difference when measured on the outside of the cylinder. Anyway, it seems the Uberti 1858 carbine may have slightly different specs from the Uberti 1858 revolvers because Chris said they haven't had any problems with the cylinders for Uberti 1858 revolvers so far. They're going to fix me up anyway, and as far as I'm concerned, Howell's is a stand-up group!

Willie Sutton · February 15, 2012, 09:45 AM

Is yours really a 5 shot?

I'm shooting a 6 shot one in my Uberti Remmy pistol and it's been flawless.

Just curious

Willie

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noelf2 · February 15, 2012, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Is yours really a 5 shot?

Yes. Howell's makes a 5 shot that has extra bolt notches on the cylinder (between the regular notches) so you have a safety stop between each chamber.

Willie Sutton · February 15, 2012, 02:59 PM

Hmmmm: my six shot one has safety notches too....

Might not be a Howells part. Ordered from Taylor's.

Willie

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noelf2 · February 15, 2012, 04:23 PM

You sure about that? Howell's makes the Taylor's R&D cylinder, 6 shot, but the only safety is leaving an empty chamber under the hammer. No extra cylinder stops / bolt notches. You may be thinking of the safety notches on the cap and ball cylinder.

Willie Sutton · February 15, 2012, 04:56 PM

Memory is the first thing to go... You're exactly right.

Willie

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hoof hearted · February 16, 2012, 11:24 AM

Your five shot is a Howell's Old West (latest name for Kenny's business). The six shot patent was sold to Taylors a few years ago, so all the newer 6 shots are actually Taylors now.

The indexing issue is a very easy one to fix and I can stretch the hand, ever so slightly, to take care of it. This will not cause a problem with your C&B cylinders functioning. You just got lucky and all your parts tolerances stacked up wrong (or actually unlucky)!

Regards, HH

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noelf2 · February 16, 2012, 11:36 AM

Thanks HH. Nice to know I have options! First I'm going to see if the modified cap that Howell's makes for me does the trick. I've also heard that replacement hands come long so they can be filed down to fit. I also thought of doing this but don't want to affect the function of the C&B cylinder. Never heard of "stretching" the hand..

You don't have to add material to it?

hoof hearted · February 16, 2012, 11:43 AM

I heard a rumor that the CNC at Howell's is down so it may be a while before you get the part........

The hands are not manufactured long but sometimes the one in your pistol might have been filed shorter if it's over indexing at the factory. I doubt yours was (most of the time they are never touched).

No material added just gunsmithing MAGIC!

Regards, HH

February 5, 2012, 01:42 PM	#1
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	Howell's cylinder in a new Uberti 1858, problem with lock up Got my new 5 shot conversion cylinder yesterday, ordered from Howell's. Fit's my carbine very well. Only issue is if I cock the hammer slowly the hand doesn't advance the cylinder far enough for the bolt to catch. I can advance it into battery with just a slight, and I mean slight, turn/touch. If I pull the hammer more briskly, the momentum of the cylinder will always advance it into full battery. I don't want to modify anything on the carbine, so I'll probably have to live with the issue. Just a bit worried if I forget and don't ensure the cylinder is in full battery before I fire. I think the hammer would still hit the firing pins, it's that close. Anyone else have this issue with the 5 shot Howell's cylinders? __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither. Last edited by noelf2; February 5, 2012 at 02:54 PM.

February 15, 2012, 09:34 AM	#2
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	I spoke with Chris at Howell's and he's going to make a different back plate (cap) for me next time they run a bunch of caps. I measured the difference from hammer fully pulled (cylinder cycled as far as it would go) and the remaining bit of turn to get the bolt to fall in the cylinder notch. Was .072 difference when measured on the outside of the cylinder. Anyway, it seems the Uberti 1858 carbine may have slightly different specs from the Uberti 1858 revolvers because Chris said they haven't had any problems with the cylinders for Uberti 1858 revolvers so far. They're going to fix me up anyway, and as far as I'm concerned, Howell's is a stand-up group! __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

February 15, 2012, 04:23 PM	#6
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	You sure about that? Howell's makes the Taylor's R&D cylinder, 6 shot, but the only safety is leaving an empty chamber under the hammer. No extra cylinder stops / bolt notches. You may be thinking of the safety notches on the cap and ball cylinder. __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

February 16, 2012, 11:24 AM	#8
hoof hearted Member Join Date: December 21, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 61	Your five shot is a Howell's Old West (latest name for Kenny's business). The six shot patent was sold to Taylors a few years ago, so all the newer 6 shots are actually Taylors now. The indexing issue is a very easy one to fix and I can stretch the hand, ever so slightly, to take care of it. This will not cause a problem with your C&B cylinders functioning. You just got lucky and all your parts tolerances stacked up wrong (or actually unlucky)! Regards, HH http://www.cartridgeconversion.com Last edited by hoof hearted; February 16, 2012 at 11:40 AM.

February 16, 2012, 11:36 AM	#9
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	Thanks HH. Nice to know I have options! First I'm going to see if the modified cap that Howell's makes for me does the trick. I've also heard that replacement hands come long so they can be filed down to fit. I also thought of doing this but don't want to affect the function of the C&B cylinder. Never heard of "stretching" the hand.. You don't have to add material to it? __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

February 15, 2012, 09:45 AM	#3
Willie Sutton Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2012 Posts: 1,066	Is yours really a 5 shot? I'm shooting a 6 shot one in my Uberti Remmy pistol and it's been flawless. Just curious Willie .

February 15, 2012, 02:59 PM	#5
Willie Sutton Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2012 Posts: 1,066	Hmmmm: my six shot one has safety notches too.... Might not be a Howells part. Ordered from Taylor's. Willie .

February 15, 2012, 04:56 PM	#7
Willie Sutton Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2012 Posts: 1,066	Memory is the first thing to go... You're exactly right. Willie .

February 16, 2012, 11:43 AM	#10
hoof hearted Member Join Date: December 21, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 61	I heard a rumor that the CNC at Howell's is down so it may be a while before you get the part........ The hands are not manufactured long but sometimes the one in your pistol might have been filed shorter if it's over indexing at the factory. I doubt yours was (most of the time they are never touched). No material added just gunsmithing MAGIC! Regards, HH __________________ http://www.cartridgeconversion.com https://www.facebook.com/cartridgeconversion/ https://www.facebook.com/thuerconversion/