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July 26, 2021, 03:49 PM | #26 | |
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So buy a bunch of their ammo and test it. You are aware that selecting the right gunpowder can often make a big difference in velocity, right? No, I suppose you don't understand that. BB might have access to powders we handloader do not, too, as Unclenick said. A handloader can match some of their 9mm +P speeds without even going +P with the right off-the-shelf powder. And one can also exceed their 38 Super +P ammo with the right gunpowder, too. By quite a bit! P.S. While you're at it, check the pressure of similar ammo from the major manufacturers, too. They might not be sticking to SAAMI specs either. Be sure to check Remington's 357 SJHP ammo. It has a reputation for being especially hot, and has, in my hands and others, produced the fastest speeds of all mainstream 357 Magnum ammo. And don't forget Underwood and DoubleTap. Their ammo is hot, too. Throw in some hot handloads, too. If you're going to do it, do it right. Last edited by 74A95; July 26, 2021 at 04:29 PM. |
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Why are you attacking me simply for my opinion on Buffalo Bore ammo? Unless you have a financial interest in them, there is no need to be nasty. I run into a lot of guys on this site that have opinions contrary to mine, but I treat them with respect. Don
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Back to the OP's question regarding reloading .38 Special +P ammo:
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So, trying not to get to too deep into the weeds here, but here we go. Never used buffalo bore, might try some eventually. They have standard pressure and +P loads listed. There is no reason that I know of to believe they don't follow SAAMI specs. My guess is they are loading to max pressure with minimal to no buffer between their loads and MAX pressure. I suspect many companies build safety margins into their load date. but no way to know for sure at this point. and I have not heard of buffalo bore or underwood blowing any guns up, although I'm sure someone will have a article. If anyone has quick load, here is an interesting one. Found this video where a guy cloned a Buffalow bore load. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imcK...B2G5Y&index=11 It is the 357 mag outdoorsman. 180g wide flat point gas checked 22bhn bullet at 1375 fps out of a 4in barrel. Based on his research it looks like Hodgdon Lil'Gun at 15.7 to 15.8g The listed published max is 15.0g, so 0.8g over published max. Curious to see what quickload has it at. On a side note, I shot an e-mail off to buffalo bore asking if they follow SAAMI specs. Hopefully we will have an answer straight from the horses mouth before long.
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And the buffalo bore issue put to rest. They responded to my e-mail VERY fast.
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Also, Hodgdon is using a very different bullet, a 180 grain Nosler Partition bullet, not a cast bullet. I asked BB the same question almost 2 weeks ago. They responded quickly. I asked that they consider putting it on their website. I don't see it posted yet. Maybe this will spur them to do it quickly. |
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and there it is, something ammo companies have always been doing, using powder that is not commercially available to the handloader.
We can't often duplicate exactly what they do simply because they use powders and powder blends we can't get. Really big ammo outfits deal in powder by the ton or by the multi ton boxcar load at a time. Variations in powder lot burn characteristics are not the concern they are to you and I. IF the lot they're running low on is different from the stuff they're getting to resupply with its not a huge deal, their labs will do testing and adjust the powder charges of their ammo to obtain the same approximate velocity and pressures as the old lot produced. This might mean a difference of a few grains in each individual powder charge but that's a small matter, because the standard is not a certain weight of powder charge, it is a certain velocity and pressure range.
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Picking powders is about as easy as picking a good wife .
Then throw in a powder shortage and you can't load with the powder you want ... You have to load with whatever powder you can find . Lets talk about 38 special and 357 magnum . Light loads and target loads ... fast burning powders - Bullseye, Red Dot , AA #2 , hp-38 , etc. Medium loads , standard mid range and +P loads ... medium burning - Unique , AA #5 , HS-5 , Universal , etc. 357 magnum , heavy hunting loads ...slow power - 2400 , HS7 , H110 , etc. Barrel lengths ... don't worry about it ... a good 357 Magnum load in a 6" barrel will usually be a good load in a 2" barrel ... you may tweak the charge ... but the powder will be good in all . Gary Last edited by gwpercle; July 27, 2021 at 11:24 AM. |
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