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July 24, 2020, 05:50 PM | #51 |
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Well, these things only happen in certain cities. All of these cities are controlled by a single political party. If you go to those cities and run over/shoot their cannon fodder, you’ll be prosecuted for it.
If you don’t go to those cities, you won’t have any trouble because people won’t be standing on the highway like retards.* *Says the guy who drives right into the heart of a constant ongoing protest every damn day since 5/30. |
July 24, 2020, 06:18 PM | #52 |
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You’re not going to convince me that the driver in question was either directly threatened or had no choice. This was pretty damn deliberate. I could care less whether the protesters in this case were card carrying members of the Communist Party. This was not self defense and is absolutely worthy of prosecution, cannon fodder or no. We can keep going back and forth until this horse is unrecognizable, but there’s not much point. I’ll stop responding to this particular exchange.
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Y'all completely missed the point of me bringing up that incident where the guy drove into the people on the freeway.
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No I get that. My original comment was merely that given the circumstances of this case I’m not sure this was a good candidate of a case where you would hold the crowd partially accountable. Bart and I then had our back and forth. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Getting back to the OP’s question/statement...
I think the key here is to do what is reasonable. Not what a bunch of guys on a gun forum think is ok, but what a group of potential Jurors would think was reasonable. My take on it is this... People pounding on your hood, trunk, roof and causing damage...call you Ins co after the event. Someone trying to breach the car by breaking the window...skinny pedal on the right. Last edited by Sharkbite; July 24, 2020 at 08:14 PM. |
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TunnelRat isn’t wrong about the legal consequences. We simply disagree about the morality.
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Clearly you aren't a student of history... or even current.
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DON’T. BE. THERE.
(situational awareness). Problem solved.
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The guy in discussion plowing through the protestors on the freeway INTENTIONALLY is criminally wrong imo. And I’m sure he sees that now. At the same time... it is a fair assumption that playing stupid games (like setting up an illegal road block on an interstate at night) will win stupid prizes (like being hit by a car).
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The highway in question had been closed (seemingly by the police according to the story that was linked and this article from a local station says it was Washington State Patrol troopers https://komonews.com/news/local/dawi...-i-5-protester). The driver had to drive up an exit ramp to get there. We’ve had incidents where indeed protesters that wandered onto active highways were hit by drivers of vehicles unaware of what was happening. Playing in the street can indeed have bad results, but this wasn’t some tragic accident or case of self defense. Absent a spate of temporary insanity or confusion (drug induced or not) this appears to be deliberate. Some people may argue there is no difference between the two situations I described. We’ll have to wait on the court ruling. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by TunnelRat; July 25, 2020 at 11:16 AM. |
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And my point was that, even if the state where this occurred has such a law, these laws typically apply (as your posts states) to cases involving the commission of a felony. And I don't think blocking a highway is a felony ... therefore, even if the state has such a law, it would not apply in this case.
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AB I was simply supporting/agreeing with you when you said this...
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Well, variations of this scenario played out in a couple of places last night. A car drove into a crowd of protesters on the sidewalk at a “Back the Blue” rally in Denver. In Austin a car tried to drive down a street blocked by protesters and ended up getting swarmed. One of the protesters ran up on the vehicle armed with an AK and got shot.
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Not really clear to me what happened in the Austin case; https://twitter.com/WxBrenn/status/1287232547118886912 |
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Here’s the Colorado event, I guess it was Eaton, not Denver.
https://www.greeleytribune.com/2020/...-turns-tragic/ There was also an incident in Aurora where a Jeep drove down a street “closed” by protesters and the protesters fired at it, striking another protester. There’s still a lot of confusion over what happened in the Austin event; but everyone seems to agree a car tried to drive through the protest. Protesters swarmed it. Shots were fired One of those protesters, who was carrying an AK, was shot and died. The driver of the vehicle was taken into custody by police and was cooperating. It certainly looks like a realistic concern. I’m reminded of the line from 1984’s “WarGames.” The only winning move is not to play. |
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Most crowds of protesters are visible from some distance away. Do a U turn and bug out.
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This Austin, TX driver driver drove into a crowd. Someone pointed a rifle at the driver who shot and killed the rifleman.
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Some recent posts have disappeared. I completely understand and agree that we are seeing some very concerning events these days, and that most of us feel a desire -- perhaps even a need -- to discuss them, or maybe just to vent. That said, this discussion area is Training and Tactics. This is definitely not the place to drag politics into the discussion.
If you want to discuss other aspects of current events, and if your comments fit the guidelines of Law & Civil Rights, please feel free to open or join a discussion there. Before posting, however, please review the criteria for Law & Civil Rights.
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I’d note one tactic I’ve seen protesters use across different cities in different videos. They are frequently divided into two, sometimes three, groups - a “vanguard” and a “main” group, with an occasional rearguard. I don’t know if this just reflects a tendency of marchers to straggle; but in the one incident I personally witnessed, the vanguard was putting down traffic cones with taped off tops to block traffic on sidestreets. In that incident, they were maybe 100-150m ahead of the main group and the tactic was ineffective because people drove over the traffic cones and through the gap between groups as soon as the light turned green.
In the Austin incident, it looks like the vanguard was putting out “road guards” similar to the military to accomplish the same goal. You can see the driver sitting at a green light waiting for the vanguard to pass. However the road guards left as soon as the light turned red and before the main group arrived. Given that it was a narrowish road (two lanes with parking) surrounded by tall buildings on all sides, there were a few blind spots. And if the driver was gawking at the circus that just passed him instead of his direction of travel (which people tend to do anyway in order to avoid traffic), then he may not have realized his error until it was too late. So, in planning, I’d just be aware that there may be multiple groups of protesters and plan for that when assessing a problem. |
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Yesterday, my wife an I were going from one end of the valley (in Phoenix) to the other. Our route on a highway took us past an unusual gathering of police vehicles...one by itself, then a mile later approximately 5 parked nose to tail between exits, and then 3 more about half a mile further down the road. At this last location, members of law enforcement were out of the vehicles and displaying long guns, and looking over the far right wall. As we moved past this, my wife and I discussed it. Who were they looking for? What was going on? Etc.
On our way back, I was reminded of the situation because one of the message boards stated a particular exit was closed. We were both armed. I chose to drive the long way round to get home. It turns out that protests got unruly in that area. If I have the opportunity, I will go far out of my way to avoid confrontations of this kind. I would make the same choice whether I am alone, or responsible for passengers. |
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