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Just had this conversation with an ATF agent 2 days ago. Deciding to SBR my Scorpion and was able to have a great conversation regarding SBR's, trusts, stamp transfers, processes, etc.. He brought up the brace as a non stamp alternative, which I countered it was worth it to me to pay the stamp and have the folding stock of my choice. He understood and made the comment referring to ATF's "current" stance on arm braces. We both laughed and reiterated why I wanted to do an SBR.
In short, the ATF is way too busy and understaffed to monitor local ranges trying to catch Joe honest citizen touching an arm brace to his shoulder for 2 seconds to get a pinch on a law that obviously leans towards common sense. Unless you are involved in felon activities otherwise and giving them a reason to look at you, don't loose a wink of sleep over it. Feel free to disagree and take my input for what you paid for it. |
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^^ I did not. My brief understanding from other conversations/non AFT agents is that it is not considered a shotgun in the strictest definition and thus cannot be stamped a SBS.
But I'll ask next time I have contact with him, great question to get clarification on. One thing he did mention that counters what I've read here is that once you stamp a pistol into a SBR, you CAN reclassify it back into a pistol, with proper paperwork. Also, upon our death, with the proper background check, when no trust is present, your spouse can legally take posession of your NFA items tax free, no further $200 per item required. BUT, they have to proceed with all paperwork, fringerprints, etc., as normal. Same for our kids. |
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dogtown, Trump enforces the federal laws, he has the authority to see how they are enforced. With pistol braces, he can do it with the stroke of a pen and say shooting them off the shoulder with full intention is not manufacturing a SBR.
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And, its possible he can't change the definition "with the stroke of a pen" but it is certain he can change the amount of enforcement. Obama did it with pot. Didn't change the law in any way, just told federal enforcement agencies not to bother going after the "recreational user". If they weren't otherwise violating state & fed law. Or so I heard...
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I would just like to see some common sense used. I have no desire to have a stocked Glock or such. The classic guns that are outlawed under gun control act
would not be guns of choice for criminals. Compared to today's weapons they are Muzzel loaders. It seems stupid to me that a gun like Shock Wave is legal but a standard shotgun with 171/2" barrel is illegal. When it gets right down to it, if a person is not going engage in criminal activity with their legal guns, why would they do so just because they had a stocked handgun? The whole act is outdated. Besides that how many felons care about gun laws. They will use a club if they don't have a gun. I don't think the original law was more than feel good laws at the time. |
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And I think that's a good enough reason for the why should he, because while he was running for President, he had a platform of national reciprocity for self defense outside the home. Inside the home, I can't imagine why he would be opposed to certain guns over others. Except machine guns or things that simulate full auto, that's a red line apparently in America.
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I will agree that MANY people are willing to spend $195 on a brace versus $200 on a tax stamp.
However, there are some purists that detest form 1's and will gladly pay the $200 as not to have a gun that was form 1'd. An overwhelming amount of NFA buyers that I've dealt with prefer the form 1 gun route now with an arm brace and they get the best of both worlds because they eventually do stock up the gun. We've seen a lot of people buy a stripped lower, brace it - file a form 1 - and then when they're done with the brace, they sell it to someone who - WAIT FOR IT - is going to do the exact same thing with their project. The brace gets sold to someone else and then the process goes on and on. Great solution to a problem that should not exist.
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