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August 30, 2019, 11:56 AM | #26 |
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I don't really see them as non sequiturs. You're welcome to keep calling them that but there is something about the original post that does come across as seemingly "bothered" by the inclusion of firing pin blocks rather than just curious about why they were developed (at least to some people). If that wasn't your intent fair enough, but that doesn't mean perception isn't a factor. That to me isn't a non sequitur.
P.S.- the Oxford Dictionaries has this for the seventh listing for "run": Be in or cause to be in operation; function or cause to function. Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk Last edited by TunnelRat; August 30, 2019 at 12:02 PM. |
August 30, 2019, 12:09 PM | #27 |
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"...Accidents in cars..." Rarely happen due to a design or manufacturing flaw. Accidents involving cars are usually caused by operator failure. Mind you, so is dropping your 1911A1.
"...lanyard loops..." Are primarily for use on horse back. And so junior officers and NCO's don't lose their pistol. "...titanium firing pins to prevent accidental discharges..." Just using a really expensive and difficult to machine material will not prevent anything.
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August 30, 2019, 01:31 PM | #28 |
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I was riding a mt. bike down the sidewalk when the front tire went off the edge of the sidewalk, I jerked it back (over corrected) and splat down I went.
Fell on my side, hurt quite a bit; I'd say my waist was near 4' off the ground when seated. The Les Baer 1911 on my side was unaffected, thank goodness. Here is the solution(s) to avoid the "solution to a nonexistant problem", buy a 1911 from a maker that uses a "series 70" type mechanism. Ruger, Dan Wesson, Les Baer, Ed Brown (off the top of my head) all make series 70 type 1911's.
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August 30, 2019, 01:31 PM | #29 |
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T. O'Heir - concerning the titanium firing pins, you completely missed the point. It has nothing to do the cost of the material or the difficulty in machining it. It is purely physics in that a Ti firing pin weighs about half of what a standard steel firing pin weighs. Less weight equals less momentum when the firing pin is dropped in a vertical position. Less momentum equates to less indentation of the primer when there is no FP block.
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"Doesn't the firing pin also have to overcome the firing pin return spring?"
Of course, but the spring can't be too strong or you would have iffy ignition in regular operation. |
August 30, 2019, 01:55 PM | #32 |
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Right, but my thought was you'd think that return spring would already rob a firing pin of much of its momentum. I know percentage wise a titanium firing pin is a lot lighter, but how heavy is a standard firing pin to begin with? I guess I really don't have a good sense of how much force is actually required to ignite a primer. Compared to a hammer striking the firing pin or a striker being released from tension I'd naively think a drop would be much less, even with a standard weight firing pin. However, the results of the test are what they are.
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August 30, 2019, 02:04 PM | #33 |
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I don't really buy into the proposed argument about every possible safety device "If it only saves one life"....
I'm fine with original Colt designed SAA's,Win 97 shotguns,etc. William Blake wrote "All attempts at foolproofing are futile. The genius of the fool is infinite" The FBI agent doing backflips on the dance floor of a whiskey bar ,the one who had his gun fall out of the holster? Yeah,that guy. Dropping it did not fire the gun.Picking the gun up with the old finger on the trigger fired the gun. I think the "conspiracy theory" behind this is illustrated by the case of Ford Pintos. They had a gasoline tank "bursting into flames " problem. Allegedly,Ford looked at the problem and made the cold decision it would be cheaper to pay liability claims than fix the problem.So it was claimed. If you drop your gun and it shoots someone,you'd really like to have an "evil corporation" .to blame it on.. I use lightweight triggers in my 1911's. The steel ones are heavier,and have more inertia in a drop. My choice. If I want a titanium firing pin,Brownell has them. The 1911 has passed the test of time |
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My buddy Billy-Bob watched other dude drop a 1911 right next to BB's foot. On the muzzle. Resulting in a bang but no injuries. This was purely firing pin movement, not a hammer striking it. After that Billy-Bob only uses 1911s with the FPS.
No idea if the firing pin spring was horribly weak but this did happen. Bart Noir Who thinks the FPS is a good idea, but doesn't panic if a 1911 is without one.
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I don't find a firing pin block objectionable. SIGs, Berettas, CZs, modern Hi Powers, any number of striker fired pistols, all generally contain firing pin blocks (with some exceptions, I know). Does it make the trigger that bad? Because that's really the main complaint I can think of, as issues due solely to firing pin blocks seem rarer than discharges from dropping. In my opinion (and in my experience when it comes to triggers a lot is opinion) their effect on a smooth trigger press is exaggerated. If someone disagrees fair enough, but I think there's enough disagreement to dispel thei dea that a firing pin block universally results in a bad trigger. They can be cleaned up with smoother parts and a lighter spring if it's really a source of concern. I've owned Series 80 style 1911s, albeit S&W's incarnation. I may like my Springfield Series 70 more, but that doesn't mean the others had what I'd call "bad" triggers. And as multiple people have pointed out now, since when are they a necessity? For many of us (yes not CA), we have the option to choose one way or the other. Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk Last edited by TunnelRat; August 30, 2019 at 02:59 PM. |
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It was concrete, and there was an unplanned discharge upon contact (read the post). No, there is no evidence since it was just an oopsie at a range and there were no injuries.
But you need courtroom-grade evidence rather than discussion of our (and our friend's) personal histories with firearms? So why are you paying attention to TFL posts again? Bart Noir
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As above, I question where this source of evidence you are requiring is going to be found. What group is scientifically cataloging accidents due to firearms or repeatedly performing controlled experiments? The evidence you yourself present from your own experience is also anecdotal. People can indeed lie. I'm not sure how to get around that one. It might almost seem like instead of holding yourself to a high standard you're setting the bar for evidence so high as to make it impossible for anyone to disprove your assertion.
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In the last 50 years , with the seven 1911's I've owned , I've dropped it exactly 0 times.
Same thing goes for my Ruger Blackhawk loaded with 6 rounds ..0 times . Gary |
August 30, 2019, 07:28 PM | #41 |
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Well, way back in 1938, a Colt employee patented the Swartz Safety firing pin block. This was disengaged by the grip safety, a system used by Kimber today.
Apparently, there was concern about the 1911 going off if dropped, even back then. I’m sure some duffer wrote into American Rifleman to complain about it, there being no internet then.
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Lots of different guns on the market and lots of different features available. Possibly more of both than at any other time in history.
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