Explain "Post Sample" Full Autos

EdInk · February 23, 2011, 12:28 AM

I understand that "transferable" machine guns have to be made before 1986. However, it is my undertanding that there are non-transferable "post sample" guns. I think these are usually at rental ranges and if the business ever closes down they must be destroyed. Could a private citizen own one of these guns, wth the understanding that upon their death it must be turned over for destruction?

Willie Lowman · February 23, 2011, 01:18 AM

Post '86 dealer sample would be the full title of these guns.

Under no circumstances can an individual own one of these guns. They may only be possessed by military, law enforcement agencies, or a (class 3) dealer.

It is my understanding that a dealer must have a letter from a LE dept requesting to demo the gun in question for them to purchase one of these weapons.

It is also my understanding that the dealer may only have one of any type of post '86 gun. ie one M4 and one M16A2. While they are very similar they aren't the exact same model.

When a dealer gives up their FFL all post samples must be sold or destroyed.

David Hineline · February 23, 2011, 03:59 AM

It is like any regulated items, if you have the proper papers you can own/possess it.

Explosives, fireworks, radioactive material, airborne gun ships, prescription drugs, narcotics.

If you are not willing to get the needed permits then you do not get to play.

GoingQuiet · February 24, 2011, 12:21 PM

Willie is partly right - however ANY FFL/SOT can have post samples. Not just "class 3" dealers. I am a "class 2" manufacturer and I can make a post sample if I want.

DiCarnage · April 13, 2011, 05:09 PM

I'm with EdInk on this one. How is it possible for the guys down the road from me (and media covered companies like Red Jacket) to build and sell brand new full-auto toys if you can't register post-'86 machine guns?

SDC · April 13, 2011, 05:19 PM

"How is it possible for the guys down the road from me (and media covered companies like Red Jacket) to build and sell brand new full-auto toys if you can't register post-'86 machine guns?"

Because when the gubmint passed that law, they exempted themselves and the police from it; although it's illegal for a private CITIZEN to purchase a post-86 MG, do you really think that these clowns would live by that law themselves?

David Hineline · April 13, 2011, 10:21 PM

If you can understand that a company like Colt Manufacturing makes machineguns for use by the US Military, Export to foreign locations, and US Government and Police Agencies. Once you wrap your head around that.

Companies like Red Jacket firearms and lots of other small manufacturers have the same licenses to do that business as does Colt Manufacturing.

medalguy · April 14, 2011, 10:49 PM

There are really two types of dealer samples. "Pre May" samples are only allowed to be owned by SOT dealers, and cannot be transferred to individual owners. "Post May" samples can only be acquired by SOT if they have a letter from a police department requesting a demonstration of that weapon. "Pre May" samples may be retained by a dealer if he does not renew his license. They may not be subsequently transferred to an individual but may be transferred to another SOT. "Post May" samples must be disposed of if the dealer fails to renew his license by transfer to another SOT but that dealer must have the LEO letter, or by "donation" to BATFE. All new made guns would be "post May" samples and cannot be transferred to another dealer unless that dealer has the LEO letter. Make sense?

David Hineline · April 15, 2011, 12:02 AM

Post May dealer samples may transfer to certain types of licensed persons without the LE Demo letter Request if the Dealer in question is going out of business, these transfers are also approved at the whim of the BATFE when getting those machineguns out of the dealer's possesion is in their interest.

February 23, 2011, 12:28 AM	#1
EdInk Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2009 Posts: 3,968	Explain "Post Sample" Full Autos I understand that "transferable" machine guns have to be made before 1986. However, it is my undertanding that there are non-transferable "post sample" guns. I think these are usually at rental ranges and if the business ever closes down they must be destroyed. Could a private citizen own one of these guns, wth the understanding that upon their death it must be turned over for destruction? __________________ Sic Semper Tyrannis

February 23, 2011, 01:18 AM	#2
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	Post '86 dealer sample would be the full title of these guns. Under no circumstances can an individual own one of these guns. They may only be possessed by military, law enforcement agencies, or a (class 3) dealer. It is my understanding that a dealer must have a letter from a LE dept requesting to demo the gun in question for them to purchase one of these weapons. It is also my understanding that the dealer may only have one of any type of post '86 gun. ie one M4 and one M16A2. While they are very similar they aren't the exact same model. When a dealer gives up their FFL all post samples must be sold or destroyed. __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

February 24, 2011, 12:21 PM	#4
GoingQuiet Member Join Date: July 1, 2010 Location: Melbourne, FL Posts: 92	Willie is partly right - however ANY FFL/SOT can have post samples. Not just "class 3" dealers. I am a "class 2" manufacturer and I can make a post sample if I want. __________________ FFL/SOT Melbourne, FL - Sales by appointment. [email protected] Sig Sauer Stocking Dealer Silencerco Stocking Distributor

April 13, 2011, 05:09 PM	#5
DiCarnage Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2010 Location: Southern Oregon. Posts: 105	Hmm... I'm with EdInk on this one. How is it possible for the guys down the road from me (and media covered companies like Red Jacket) to build and sell brand new full-auto toys if you can't register post-'86 machine guns?

April 13, 2011, 05:19 PM	#6
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	"How is it possible for the guys down the road from me (and media covered companies like Red Jacket) to build and sell brand new full-auto toys if you can't register post-'86 machine guns?" Because when the gubmint passed that law, they exempted themselves and the police from it; although it's illegal for a private CITIZEN to purchase a post-86 MG, do you really think that these clowns would live by that law themselves? __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

February 23, 2011, 03:59 AM	#3
David Hineline Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska Posts: 704	It is like any regulated items, if you have the proper papers you can own/possess it. Explosives, fireworks, radioactive material, airborne gun ships, prescription drugs, narcotics. If you are not willing to get the needed permits then you do not get to play.

April 13, 2011, 10:21 PM	#7
David Hineline Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska Posts: 704	Places like Red Jacket Firearms If you can understand that a company like Colt Manufacturing makes machineguns for use by the US Military, Export to foreign locations, and US Government and Police Agencies. Once you wrap your head around that. Companies like Red Jacket firearms and lots of other small manufacturers have the same licenses to do that business as does Colt Manufacturing. Last edited by David Hineline; April 15, 2011 at 12:00 AM.

April 14, 2011, 10:49 PM	#8
medalguy Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2009 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,033	There are really two types of dealer samples. "Pre May" samples are only allowed to be owned by SOT dealers, and cannot be transferred to individual owners. "Post May" samples can only be acquired by SOT if they have a letter from a police department requesting a demonstration of that weapon. "Pre May" samples may be retained by a dealer if he does not renew his license. They may not be subsequently transferred to an individual but may be transferred to another SOT. "Post May" samples must be disposed of if the dealer fails to renew his license by transfer to another SOT but that dealer must have the LEO letter, or by "donation" to BATFE. All new made guns would be "post May" samples and cannot be transferred to another dealer unless that dealer has the LEO letter. Make sense?

April 15, 2011, 12:02 AM	#9
David Hineline Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska Posts: 704	Post May dealer samples may transfer to certain types of licensed persons without the LE Demo letter Request if the Dealer in question is going out of business, these transfers are also approved at the whim of the BATFE when getting those machineguns out of the dealer's possesion is in their interest.