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The one thing I do know is I did not chamber a round with a double charge. I have enough cases to match the weight of the cases even if I loaded 1,000+ cases. The very last chance a reloader has to protect himself from himself happens just before he chambers the round. It reminds me of a famous poem that ended with a quote that that went something like "OH what might have been". I can not imagine what it would be like to render one of my pistols scrap. And then there are rifles, I have test fired rifles that I purchased with the understanding they were suspect. It took me a whole to determine what they considered suspect. I used risky loads to test the suspect receivers; F. Guffey |
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February 16, 2019, 04:26 PM | #53 |
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Dillon 550, for example
My experience is that it is much easier to get squib loads with a 550. Hand indexing is not foolproof. Also, lube in a seating die will alter the COA. I really think this is less so with Dillon dies. Personally, I'd see if it were possible to make a round with double charge using AAC-7 powder. With the mechanical advantage of a press all kinds of stuff can happen. Break down the test cartridge at the end.
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I gave him his pistol back! And then? He immediately started shoving 6 more 357 Magnum rounds into his cylinder. He did not know if he had powder in each of the 6 rounds, he did not know if he had too much powder nor did he know if he had enough powder. I could not convince him, with discipline, he could have determined how much powder was in each loaded round. We offered to help him with his reloading, we offered to loan and or give him equipment necessary to improve his reloading, We offered him all the ammo he could shoot at no cost to him; he was convinced there is no way a reloader could determine the amount powder in a loaded round. My neighbor/most disciplined reloaders made it very clear to him he was not going to stand next to him and shoot reloades that were loaded that carelessly. As expected the shooter with the locked up pistol got mad and then left the range. We went to the range bosses to explain what happened. My neighbor started by saying "if he tells you we said this and or that or he tells you we did this and or that, do not argue with him because we did say this and that and we did this and that'. F. Guffey Last edited by F. Guffey; February 17, 2019 at 11:21 AM. Reason: rearranging |
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One of the best decisions a person can make is to use a low density powder that takes up a lot of space and still reaches velocity figures that are acceptable.
9mm is a case that would really be hard to double charge, but it can probably be done with the densest powders available. By using lower density powders an equivalent charge will actually spill over, and a bullet couldn't seat. Revolver cases are harder to deal with, IIRC I once put three charges into a .357 case to see how much it could hold. If a high density powder is used on a normal to light load a double charge may not be noticable to some people. Using a low density, large flake powder, the double charge would be obvious, and maybe even impossible. Safety is my number one concern when reloading. It would break my heart to blow up a gun. OTOH, I knew a guy who used to brag about the guns he has blown up, and he always used them in a sermon for us other guys. Quote:
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I had a case head fail in a glock and it vented into the grip. Left my hand tingling for a while. Nahh, didn't develop a flinch. But that certainly isn't the same thing as having a gun go to pieces.
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I think that I remember hearing about him. The same issue, pushing, pushing, gotta go past the limits.
Making a mistake and blowing up a gun is one thing. Being reckless is another. Then there is just stupid behavior, and there is poor control of the process. I can't really fault a guy for making a costly mistake because he something didn't work just right. Mistakes happen. I hate plumbing and wiring because mistakes happen. I don't allow for mistakes in my reloading. I have done everything that I possibly can to ensure that the process is double or even quadruple checked before that round goes in the box. I do everything that I can. If I have to say 'no, i'm not feeling right today, maybe tomorrow' I will. When someone fools around with load data, tries to make miracle velocities, or even worse, just works in a thoughtless and careless manner, I'm not so willing to pay the guy the respect and admiration that he thinks that he deserves. Quote:
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Yeap, it makes for a bad day. This is one reason I use rifle powders (44-40), or a powder where a double charge will over flow the case (other calibers). I'd rather spend extra money on powder than to lose a gun!!!
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