No wimpy powder....40 S&w

Dis-1-Shooter · August 31, 2010, 01:34 PM

Hello everyone, I am looking for a powder for 40 S&W that has a lot of recoil at max or near max levels. The extra powder that I have laying around are: Clays, Power Pistol, Bullseye, and WST. ANY powder recommendations would be awesome and thanks in advance.

Brian Pfleuger · August 31, 2010, 01:46 PM

I can't imagine why you'd want to maximize recoil in an already relatively abusive cartridge, but Power Pistol is likely to produce maximum velocity without exceeding book published numbers. Maximum velocity is likely to produce maximum recoil, except for the possibility of differences in "rocket effect" from the burned powder.

If you're looking for mythical load levels beyond anything published then 800x would likely be your friend. It has been used in loads that are far, FAR beyond anything you'll find in a manual. Do likewise at your own risk.

DiscoRacing · August 31, 2010, 01:46 PM

not sure the powder will give you more recoil... you can try a heavier bullet tho... I use hodgen titegroup for my pistols...tho Ive heard that clays is good too.

zxcvbob · August 31, 2010, 01:52 PM

Power Pistol ought to do it for you and you have that one already. WSF, 800X, AA#7, and HS-6 also are good choices. Maybe Blue Dot. There are lots of good powders.

Bullseye might surprise you (in a good way), especially with lighter-weight jacketed bullets.

Be careful, .40S&W is a very unforgiving cartridge. It's short and stubby and operates at very high pressures; not a good combination because small changes in seating depth can make a huge difference in chamber pressure.

**Mike Irwin** · August 31, 2010, 01:56 PM

C4.

The recoil is murder.

Brian Pfleuger · August 31, 2010, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Irwin

C4.

The recoil is murder.

Is it still considered recoil if it's going in 1,000 different directions?

TATER · August 31, 2010, 02:07 PM

Dis-1-Shooter
Wow,

Come on my friend, 40 S&W is not the caliber to be doing this with...
Serious...40 is way too high pressure.
Dont hurt yourself or somebody next to you.

Dis-1-Shooter · August 31, 2010, 02:08 PM

I shoot IPSC and I currently use WST to push a 180gr about 920+ FPS which produces major power factor. This just my idea...if I load a near max load with Power Pistol and load two in the mag first, the last two shots fired should give me an indication that my mag is going to be empty...therefore time for a mag reload. I have tried this with WWB, and felt little difference in recoil due to adrenaline rush. Once again, just a thought/idea.

TATER · August 31, 2010, 02:26 PM

Try to Pre-count, Before you start. Know where you “Should be” and drop just before. I Know,..... easier said.

Raven Armament · August 31, 2010, 02:27 PM

Probably be easier to learn to count your shots when you are shooting.

Dis-1-Shooter · August 31, 2010, 02:37 PM

I do pre-count and try to round count while I fire...some time it just harder sometimes. I guess I should practice more. Thanks for all the reply.

lll Otto lll · August 31, 2010, 02:38 PM

Use Blue Dot...if the recoil doesn't alert you the muzzle flash will and probably everyone else around you.

Real Gun · August 31, 2010, 03:22 PM

Quote:

I shoot IPSC and I currently use WST to push a 180gr about 920+ FPS which produces major power factor. This just my idea...if I load a near max load with Power Pistol and load two in the mag first, the last two shots fired should give me an indication that my mag is going to be empty...therefore time for a mag reload. I have tried this with WWB, and felt little difference in recoil due to adrenaline rush. Once again, just a thought/idea.

I wonder about the premise, because I thought one had to shoot the same rated ammo throughout. It is certainly an interesting question.

Uncle Buck · August 31, 2010, 03:22 PM

Seriously, These guys are not kidding about "an unforgivable cartridge" and you could be playing a very serious game.

Practice shot counts. Color the bottom of your magazines and learn the color and round count. (Blue base = two round magazine, red base = 5 round magazine, etc...)

We used a similar method for training in pistol matches in Korea. Place the magazines on the table and as you pick them up, remember the color equals the shots. The first few times you use this method, I guarantee you'll shoot awful, because you'll be more concerned with the rounds in the magazine than concentrating on the target.

The more you practice counting, the better your groups will be and before long, people will wonder how you are able to switch magazine so quickly. It is hard, but you can do it.

When all else fails, I would go with Mikes suggestion, C-4.

steve4102 · August 31, 2010, 06:08 PM

If you want a powder that will get your attention and still be within safe pressures, give Longshot a try.

Quote:

Serious...40 is way too high pressure.

Compared to what? It runs at the same pressure as the 9mm, less that the 9MM+P,38 Super, 10MM Auto and the 357 Sig.

Loader9 · August 31, 2010, 08:13 PM

If you are looking for more felt recoil, the faster burning powders will give you a sharper felt recoil. Since WST is on your list, I'd try that.

AlaskaMike · August 31, 2010, 08:19 PM

Black powder.

Safe pressure and an unmistakable indicator that your mag is running dry.

TXGunNut · August 31, 2010, 09:01 PM

Do you need a magnum primer w/ C4 or will a standard primer sufficiently scatter all the tiny bits?
Also using indicator loads sounds like gaming to me and nothing useful will be learned unless you carry this practice over to your carry mags, can't recommend that.

Remow2112 · August 31, 2010, 09:20 PM

You can use aa-5 but listen to the other folks on this thread. The .40 is right on the line to begin with and with the number of case failures on this board alone! I wouldn't be getting crazy with it.

sonnycrockett · September 1, 2010, 05:44 AM

I have some Longshot.......I hate it , its a recoil monster for me
with plenty of muzzle flash........

steve4102 · September 1, 2010, 07:05 AM

Quote:

I have some Longshot.......I hate it , its a recoil monster for me
with plenty of muzzle flash........

Yup, and that's what the OP is looking for.

lmccrock · September 1, 2010, 07:54 AM

If you want more felt recoil, you want the powder which requires the greatest weight. A slower powder would accomplish this better. Clays is a bad choice since it does not take much to get max pressure, and it is easy to go way over.

Quote:

I wonder about the premise, because I thought one had to shoot the same rated ammo throughout. It is certainly an interesting question

Don't know about IPSC, but in USPSA, as long as you meet minimum power factor, you are fine.

Lee

wingman · September 1, 2010, 08:23 AM

My first thought here is buy a bigger caliber when i see people reloading max loads looking for Magnum performance say from a 223 why not purchase a 458 magnum.

spacecoast · September 1, 2010, 09:45 AM

Quote:

the last two shots fired should give me an indication that my mag is going to be empty...therefore time for a mag reload

This should solve your "when is the mag empty?" issue...

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produc...ry-tracer-ammo

Jimbo-Indy · September 1, 2010, 10:34 AM

Longshot is my favorite powder for heavy loads in 40 S&W. I find it gives max velocities with heavy bullets (155 or 180 gr.) while staying within recommended pressure limits. It produces excellent results in 10mm too.
The load I use most is 7.6 gr. Longshot under a 180 gr. Rainier plated flat-nose and Winchester or CCI small pistol primers. This load clocked right at 1050 FPS out of a Browning HP Practical. Worked good for bowling pins.

August 31, 2010, 01:34 PM	#1
Dis-1-Shooter Member Join Date: February 25, 2010 Posts: 47	No wimpy powder....40 S&w Hello everyone, I am looking for a powder for 40 S&W that has a lot of recoil at max or near max levels. The extra powder that I have laying around are: Clays, Power Pistol, Bullseye, and WST. ANY powder recommendations would be awesome and thanks in advance.

August 31, 2010, 01:46 PM	#2
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	I can't imagine why you'd want to maximize recoil in an already relatively abusive cartridge, but Power Pistol is likely to produce maximum velocity without exceeding book published numbers. Maximum velocity is likely to produce maximum recoil, except for the possibility of differences in "rocket effect" from the burned powder. If you're looking for mythical load levels beyond anything published then 800x would likely be your friend. It has been used in loads that are far, FAR beyond anything you'll find in a manual. Do likewise at your own risk. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

August 31, 2010, 01:46 PM	#3
DiscoRacing Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: milton, wv Posts: 3,640	not sure the powder will give you more recoil... you can try a heavier bullet tho... I use hodgen titegroup for my pistols...tho Ive heard that clays is good too. __________________ Desert Eagle Alliance Group Launcher Extraordinaire ______ ----Get Busy Live'n.....Or....Get Busy Die'n......Red -------They call me Dr. Bob,,,, I have a PhD in S&W

August 31, 2010, 01:52 PM	#4
zxcvbob Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2007 Location: S.E. Minnesota Posts: 4,720	Power Pistol ought to do it for you and you have that one already. WSF, 800X, AA#7, and HS-6 also are good choices. Maybe Blue Dot. There are lots of good powders. Bullseye might surprise you (in a good way), especially with lighter-weight jacketed bullets. Be careful, .40S&W is a very unforgiving cartridge. It's short and stubby and operates at very high pressures; not a good combination because small changes in seating depth can make a huge difference in chamber pressure. __________________ "Everything they do is so dramatic and flamboyant. It just makes me want to set myself on fire!" —Lucille Bluth Last edited by zxcvbob; August 31, 2010 at 03:33 PM.

August 31, 2010, 01:56 PM	#5
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,379	C4. The recoil is murder. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

August 31, 2010, 02:07 PM	#7
TATER Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 963	Dis-1-Shooter Wow, Come on my friend, 40 S&W is not the caliber to be doing this with... Serious...40 is way too high pressure. Dont hurt yourself or somebody next to you.

August 31, 2010, 02:08 PM	#8
Dis-1-Shooter Member Join Date: February 25, 2010 Posts: 47	I shoot IPSC and I currently use WST to push a 180gr about 920+ FPS which produces major power factor. This just my idea...if I load a near max load with Power Pistol and load two in the mag first, the last two shots fired should give me an indication that my mag is going to be empty...therefore time for a mag reload. I have tried this with WWB, and felt little difference in recoil due to adrenaline rush. Once again, just a thought/idea.

August 31, 2010, 02:26 PM	#9
TATER Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 963	Try to Pre-count, Before you start. Know where you “Should be” and drop just before. I Know,..... easier said.

August 31, 2010, 02:27 PM	#10
Raven Armament Junior member Join Date: July 27, 2010 Location: Midwest Posts: 45	Probably be easier to learn to count your shots when you are shooting.

August 31, 2010, 02:37 PM	#11
Dis-1-Shooter Member Join Date: February 25, 2010 Posts: 47	I do pre-count and try to round count while I fire...some time it just harder sometimes. I guess I should practice more. Thanks for all the reply.

August 31, 2010, 02:38 PM	#12
lll Otto lll Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2008 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 295	Use Blue Dot...if the recoil doesn't alert you the muzzle flash will and probably everyone else around you.

August 31, 2010, 03:22 PM	#14
Uncle Buck Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2009 Location: West Central Missouri Posts: 2,592	Seriously, These guys are not kidding about "an unforgivable cartridge" and you could be playing a very serious game. Practice shot counts. Color the bottom of your magazines and learn the color and round count. (Blue base = two round magazine, red base = 5 round magazine, etc...) We used a similar method for training in pistol matches in Korea. Place the magazines on the table and as you pick them up, remember the color equals the shots. The first few times you use this method, I guarantee you'll shoot awful, because you'll be more concerned with the rounds in the magazine than concentrating on the target. The more you practice counting, the better your groups will be and before long, people will wonder how you are able to switch magazine so quickly. It is hard, but you can do it. When all else fails, I would go with Mikes suggestion, C-4. __________________ Inside Every Bright Idea Is The 50% Probability Of A Disaster Waiting To Happen.

August 31, 2010, 08:13 PM	#16
Loader9 Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2008 Posts: 949	If you are looking for more felt recoil, the faster burning powders will give you a sharper felt recoil. Since WST is on your list, I'd try that.

August 31, 2010, 08:19 PM	#17
AlaskaMike Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Posts: 941	Black powder. Safe pressure and an unmistakable indicator that your mag is running dry.

August 31, 2010, 09:01 PM	#18
TXGunNut Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: If you have to ask... Posts: 2,860	Do you need a magnum primer w/ C4 or will a standard primer sufficiently scatter all the tiny bits? Also using indicator loads sounds like gaming to me and nothing useful will be learned unless you carry this practice over to your carry mags, can't recommend that. __________________ Life Member NRA, TSRA Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call Lonesome Dove My favorite recipes start out with a handful of used wheelweights.

August 31, 2010, 09:20 PM	#19
Remow2112 Member Join Date: May 3, 2005 Posts: 51	Powder You can use aa-5 but listen to the other folks on this thread. The .40 is right on the line to begin with and with the number of case failures on this board alone! I wouldn't be getting crazy with it.

September 1, 2010, 05:44 AM	#20
sonnycrockett Junior member Join Date: July 4, 2010 Location: Memphis TN Posts: 240	I have some Longshot.......I hate it , its a recoil monster for me with plenty of muzzle flash........

September 1, 2010, 08:23 AM	#23
wingman Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2002 Posts: 2,108	My first thought here is buy a bigger caliber when i see people reloading max loads looking for Magnum performance say from a 223 why not purchase a 458 magnum.

September 1, 2010, 10:34 AM	#25
Jimbo-Indy Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2008 Location: Owasso, OK Posts: 334	Longshot is my favorite powder for heavy loads in 40 S&W. I find it gives max velocities with heavy bullets (155 or 180 gr.) while staying within recommended pressure limits. It produces excellent results in 10mm too. The load I use most is 7.6 gr. Longshot under a 180 gr. Rainier plated flat-nose and Winchester or CCI small pistol primers. This load clocked right at 1050 FPS out of a Browning HP Practical. Worked good for bowling pins.

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