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Old January 1, 2020, 01:15 PM   #1
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Give me feedback on a .45

I am looking into a striker .45 with a thumb rest. Why? I haven't had a .45 in a long time and strikers with thumb safeties fit my hand naturally.

I am finding 3 options: Ruger American, Ruger SR and the M&P.

The SR45 is the cheapest of the 3, under $300 through Buds, but its thumb safety is a tiny little nub. The Ruger and the M&P are $450-500. If I want to upgrade the trigger, which I usually do if I like a gun, there are many options for the M&P, and Galloway Precision offers what seems like a complete trigger system overhaul for the SR but just a striker guide replacement for the American series.

What are your experiences with these 3? Is there a reason for a small-handed, trigger-picky but financially limited shooter whose thumb always finds the slide release to pick one over the other 2? (And please don't advise me to change my grip. If I modify my grip then I lose the excuse to buy a .45). I have shot a rental M&P 2.0 but the other two are not available at local ranges.

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Old January 1, 2020, 02:48 PM   #2
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If I were going to get another .45, it would be a Glock 21. No question. I had one in the past and it was a superb weapon.
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Old January 1, 2020, 03:09 PM   #3
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I never owned one of the Rugers.
I had a .45 M&P for a while, it was accurate and reliable. Very good gun.
As is usual, I traded it off to get something new.
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Old January 1, 2020, 03:12 PM   #4
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I don't think you'll be bothered by the SR's small safety lever. It's well positioned and adequate. I have no experience with the American or Smith.
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Old January 1, 2020, 03:12 PM   #5
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??You use the thumb saftey for a thumb rest?
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Old January 1, 2020, 03:51 PM   #6
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M&P 2.0 version only if you want a safety. If a safety isn't a requirement then Glock 21 or 30.
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Old January 1, 2020, 08:04 PM   #7
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Of the three you mention, my choice would be an M&P based on my experience with the Shield. Not a fan of Glocks because of the trigger and the Ruger, well it's a Ruger and I find them a bit utilitarian.
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Old January 1, 2020, 08:11 PM   #8
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I love my M&P 45 first gen. It does have an upgraded Apex trigger. It does not have a thumb safety. Happy New Year.
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Old January 1, 2020, 08:49 PM   #9
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I own a 1st Gen M&P45 without the thumb safety, which is my preference. My hands are long and slender, and it's a very comfortable gun to hold and fire. I installed just the Apex sear in it, and it has an outstanding trigger. Not too light, not too stiff. Accurate is an understatement.

Grabagun is selling them at $388 today.

I also own a Ruger SR9, but that gun leaves me a bit cold. The grip doesn't feel as comfortable and doesn't fit me as well as the M&P. It takes more effort and concentration to shoot well, so I don't shoot it often.

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Old January 1, 2020, 09:52 PM   #10
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I currently own a Ruger SR45 and absolutely love it. It fits my hand great, the trigger has a clean break, and the rear sight is readily adjustable. The safety is a little nub, but I have had no issues drawing from concealment and dropping the safety while training. The major upside to its size is that I have never accidently put it on safe while shooting and don't ever see that happening.

There were some lemons out there, but mine has been great. One mag was a bit problematic but once identified I removed it from rotation and the gun has been 100%. Can't recommend this gun highly enough, but the Ruger recently discontinued the line in favor if the American series so I'm not sure if that affects your decision.
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Old January 1, 2020, 11:18 PM   #11
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Springfield Armory had a XD-45 Service Model with a thumb safety. I had one once. Another option you might not be aware of.
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Old January 2, 2020, 01:25 AM   #12
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Not familiar with any that you mentioned so can't advise. But I would recommend the Walther PPQ may not check all your boxes but at least the factory trigger is top notch doubt you might need to do anything to it and you can adjust the grips to best match your hand size. You won't be disappointed with a Walther.
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Old January 2, 2020, 07:19 AM   #13
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I have the G21 and recommend it over any of the others.
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Old January 2, 2020, 10:06 AM   #14
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The m&p is a fine weapon. As mentioned above, I'd buy the 2.0.
To the Glock fan boys, maybe he doesn't like the grip angle.
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Old January 2, 2020, 10:35 AM   #15
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Thank you all for your advice.

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To the Glock fan boys, maybe he doesn't like the grip angle.
Correct. Glocks are not comfortable. I also desire a thumb safety.

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Springfield Armory had a XD-45 Service Model with a thumb safety.
I was not aware of this.

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The major upside to its size is that I have never accidently put it on safe while shooting and don't ever see that happening.
I don't need a manual safety for safety or reassurance purposes. I need a place to put my dominant hand thumb or it migrates to the slide release.

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Grabagun is selling them at $388 today.
Thank you for this resource! I am likely to go with the M&P. You saved me about a 100 bucks.
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Old January 2, 2020, 10:42 AM   #16
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I don't get the whole "it has to be a striker" thing. I have both striker fired guns and those that have hammers. IMO it doesn't make a difference in the performance of the individual gun. Triggers can always be improved over those on a stock pistol and I personally have no issues with the whole DA/SA transition that so many like to complain about. In fact I like because if I have to pull out my gun in a defensive situation, I think the first pull of the trigger being a bit heavier would make me less likely to accidentally fire. Of course I actually practice with my guns and am familiar with the triggers and controls.

OTH, if all you use your gun as mainly a range toy, when you install the magazine and release the slide, you will be firing single action anyway so you will get the benefit of the lighter trigger anyway.

I am not personally familiar with the choices the OP presented in his opening post, but if he wants a .45 caliber pistol with a safety, my vote goes to a HK USP 45. I have the full size version and while it is a large gun, it fits my smaller sized hands perfectly and is very, very accurate. It also has the benefit of having both a safety and a decocker that is very easy to manipulate.

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Old January 2, 2020, 11:27 AM   #17
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Oh also.... Not to add to confusion, but the hk45 is also nice.
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Old January 2, 2020, 02:48 PM   #18
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highpower3006 beat me to it. If you want a thumb safety, you can open up your options to include one of the many excellent hammer-fired DA/SA .45ACP pistols out there.

About a month ago, I purchased a used HK USP45 (2002 manufacture with Variant 1 trigger - DA/SA w/ safety) in excellent condition w/ 3 mags for $450.

It's objectively a better pistol than the two Ruger options, and likely the M&P as well. It can safety be carried cocked and locked, so the complaint many have about DA/SA pistols regarding constant trigger pulls goes away.

Just food for thought.
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Old January 2, 2020, 03:41 PM   #19
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To add to Fishbed77's post, I picked up my 2013 vintage USP45 off of Gunbroker with one magazine for $399. I found a deal on new genuine HK magazines for $22 each so two more mags would have brought up the cost to $443. I bought a half dozen because I like having plenty of spares. Truly a fantastic gun and I liked it so much that when I had the opportunity, I picked up a P30S to go with it.
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Old January 3, 2020, 09:02 PM   #20
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Springfield Armory XD series.
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Old January 3, 2020, 10:37 PM   #21
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HK's are in a class by themselves. One of my favorites is a USP Compact. I'm not getting over the good deals you guys are getting on full size HK's. This should get about half dozen HK haters running in circles with their hair afire.
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Old January 4, 2020, 12:20 AM   #22
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I owned an SR45 and the thumb safety is not an issue. You simply turn the gun in your hand and use the tip of your thumb to put it on, but it sweeps off easily on the draw. And because it’s a “nub” and its positioning, you won’t flip it on by accident when firing.

My problem with the SR was it was not fully reliable even after a trip back to Ruger, so I ditched it.

I tried an American.45 Compact, but found the grip tang shape uncomfortable and the gun in general too bulky and clunky. Felt recoil was also too much for a gun of its bulk and weight. A failed design for Ruger in my opinion.

Of the three you mentioned, the M & P is easily the best choice.
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Old January 4, 2020, 08:21 AM   #23
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H&K 45acp variants ime have uncontrolled recoil. Would not recommend hk for 45. Of the options OP listed M&P 45.
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Old January 4, 2020, 09:20 AM   #24
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I always shot my beloved 1911s with a high thumb, resting on the thumb safety. That was from April of 1974 until the early 2000s. When arthritis produced a swollen knuckle at the base of my thumb, which got mashed by the 1911's frame with every shot, I transitioned to the Glock 21. It's wide soft plastic frame was much easier on my arthritic knuckle, but I no longer had a place to put my thumb.

As a man said on another forum I visit, we humans are adaptive creatures. We adapt to the tool we are using. I learned to rest my strong hand thumb on the knuckle of the weak hand thumb, both pointing forward.

Sorry but I don't get buying a gun just to have a place to put your thumb. Adapt to the tool that works best for you!

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Old January 4, 2020, 10:56 AM   #25
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+1 for the M&P 2.0
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