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June 26, 2018, 07:13 PM | #1 |
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Glock 18 or Other Full Auto Handguns: Does it have a use?
So I am curious about the use of these firearms. I understand the idea of “why not.” But can anyone direct me to legitimate uses of something like a Glock 18 or M93? Like the Glock 18 is for “law enforcement and military only.” So concealed full auto? With a stock I can see the concept I guess. But I don’t think I’ve ever seen LEOs use it. So? Anyone got any history? Any info?
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June 26, 2018, 07:16 PM | #2 |
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Massive firepower concealed, used by witness protection elements and VIP protection personnel.
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June 26, 2018, 07:30 PM | #3 |
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There was a police chief near here that had a G18 some time ago.
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June 26, 2018, 09:25 PM | #4 |
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Even with a tax stamp arent glock 18s pretty hard to get ahold of?
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June 26, 2018, 09:56 PM | #6 |
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Local range got a manufacturer's license and built a Glock 17.5 to rent. Also a M16. Planning an AK47 next.
I didn't know they could DO that. Another dealer has a number of full autos, many appear to be kit guns made out of surplus parts. They rent a range for an annual machine gun shoot. I don't see their loophole, either. |
June 26, 2018, 10:04 PM | #7 |
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It was originally called for by an anti-terrorist agency. Its use would be for breaching and clearing as well as suppression or the brown pants scenario. Typically it would be in use by SWAT or other special departments of LE but military or government use would be the same. I don't believe the G18 would ever be concealed and it is a selective fire pistol.
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June 27, 2018, 07:36 AM | #9 |
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I wouldn't be surprised if there were one or two owned by armourers for the film industry...
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June 27, 2018, 08:05 AM | #10 |
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I fired a Beretta 93. It was more a novelty as outside of 10 yards, it is very difficult to keep all shots on even a B-27 target. I shot numerous automatic firearms in my career and this one was the hardest to shoot accurately I ever shot. In semi-automatic mode it was very accurate and it did not have any malfunctions so it looked like the quality was very good. There was also an attachable shoulder stock that did help some but then why not have an automatic carbine if you need the shoulder stock for it to keep it on target? I was glad for the experience but I have no desire to own one. YMMV
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At my last Glock Armorers class the instructor told us that there are several police departments in the US that issue the G18. Glock even provides a special course for departments: https://www.glocktraining.com/files/G18_Course.pdf
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June 27, 2018, 02:04 PM | #13 |
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I thought you had to have a request from a government agency to produce a "post 86 sample" even with appropriate licenses.
Not so? You can just crank out whatever you like but have to either keep it or pass it on to another dealer or armed government agency? I saw a daisy chain of small shops building "samples' and passing them around, but that was years ago and thought it had been stopped along with the Clinton elimination of "hobby" dealers. I am not an anti-gunner, but there is a lot of stuff going on at the fringes of the NFA, GCA, and GOPA that would not pass Quacks Like a Duck scrutiny. |
June 27, 2018, 02:25 PM | #14 |
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I can rent one at a range near me so the "military LEO" thing may have a work around.
http://www.washingtoncountyguns.com/inventory/ |
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In pistol configuration it is mostly a toy.
In PDW configuration it is useful as a PDW. PDW's can be pretty awesome in their niche.
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June 27, 2018, 02:54 PM | #16 |
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I've seen plenty of YouTube vids that prove the G18 is certainly no toy in the hands of someone who knows how to shoot it.
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June 27, 2018, 05:40 PM | #17 |
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FWI, my heresay understanding is there are officially 2 legitimate "escaped" G18's available for civilian transfer. In private ownership.
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It is identical to a semi automatic Glock 17 except for the happy switch.
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Ok, in SA it is a Glock 17. In FA mostly a toy.
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June 27, 2018, 06:33 PM | #21 |
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Thanks, Tom.
Clear one thing up. May an 07 SOT transfer a SMG to another 07 SOT without agency letter as you say above? Fringe case: BATFE acceptance of an AR "pistol" with "brace" is arrant nonsense. Seen in use they are not functionally different from a SBR. Which there is no point in restricting, but it is the law. |
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What eliminated those guys who A)mostly did it for personal enjoyment, and B) operated on very small profit margins was the Clinton administration raising the price of the FFL license from $30 to $300 a year. They (mostly) didn't go out of the business rather than "get legal" they went out of business because the increase in the license fee cost them more than they were making. (added sufficient expense to negate their slim profits)
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I’ve never run a Glock 18 or 93R but have run a 17 converted to select fire (so basically a Glock 18)
I can see it’s use in a very limited usage envelope. With SHORT bursts it’s not all that bad but it’s easy to get away from you. Like has been said I can see any of these being fairly useful for discrete body guard type duty. They are a perfectly fine Glock 17 if needed. However if needed you can slap a 33 rounder in and drop a quick wall of suppressive Get the hell out of dodge wall of lead. Again their real world use is fairly narrow. They are however a fantastic way to turn money to noise REALLY FAST. like make an MP5 feel semi auto fast. I like noise.
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While you might consider full auto capable firearms as toys, most certainly LE & military do not.
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