Firearms ID Card Revoked (NJ)

Billy Z · December 25, 2015, 02:59 PM

Ill try to make this as plain and simple as I can.

When I was 20 years old I got into a big fight (intoxicated) and was arrested in Delaware county Pennsylvania.

While inside the police car I had said the words. This is bull[color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color] "Im going to kill myself" and a few other random statements.

The police took me to holding facility shortly then sent me to a hospital for monitoring. I was there for approximately 14 hours.

After being evaluated by a psychiatric doctor, I was released on my own will.

Jump forward 9 years. I apply for a Firearms ID card. at my local police station

I was approved my Firearms ID card, and pistol permit.

I went to my local firearms dealer and applied to purchase a pistol.

To be approved at the dealer you must be submitted to a telephone background check, National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

After approximately 30 minutes I was Denied! ????????

Next step, I contacted NICS directly and find out why?

To my surprise, when I was brought to the "hospital" it was a "mental health facility"

About a month later the chief of police from my township finds out, he then knocks on my door and insists I hand over my Firearms ID card.

He has not been very helpful and tells me I can take this to court. But I am unsure of what I should be prepared for.

Does anyone have any input on a situation like this?

JERRYS. · December 25, 2015, 04:20 PM

unfortunately you are in a may issue state that is generally no issue. if you have the money to hire a lawyer you can do so but be mindful that you are fighting an uphill battle in NJ.

Billy Z · December 25, 2015, 05:53 PM

@JERRYS post. In what direction should I present an issue of this nature with a attorney? Is it possible to ever obtain a Firearms ID card after being "instituted" regardless of the duration of stay?

101combatvet · December 25, 2015, 06:10 PM

Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes a determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that you are a danger to yourself or to others or are incompetent to manage your own affairs) OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution? (See Instructions for Question 11.f.)

ATF Form 4473

rwilson452 · December 25, 2015, 06:29 PM

Your going to need a lawyer and the hospital records. Then your lawyer can determine the next step. As your in NJ I wouldn't hold out much help.

**Tom Servo** · December 25, 2015, 08:43 PM

As others said, you need to speak to a competent attorney. We don't know the whole situation, and we don't have access to the relevant documentation. Nor would it be prudent to post that much personal information on a public forum.

**Spats McGee** · December 26, 2015, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

. . . . Nor would it be prudent to post that much personal information on a public forum.

To expound slightly on Tom's comment, above, what you discuss with your attorney is confidential by law. What you post on the internet for a bunch of strangers to read is not.

December 25, 2015, 02:59 PM	#1
Billy Z Junior Member Join Date: December 23, 2015 Posts: 3	Firearms ID Card Revoked (NJ) Ill try to make this as plain and simple as I can. When I was 20 years old I got into a big fight (intoxicated) and was arrested in Delaware county Pennsylvania. While inside the police car I had said the words. This is bull[color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color] "Im going to kill myself" and a few other random statements. The police took me to holding facility shortly then sent me to a hospital for monitoring. I was there for approximately 14 hours. After being evaluated by a psychiatric doctor, I was released on my own will. Jump forward 9 years. I apply for a Firearms ID card. at my local police station I was approved my Firearms ID card, and pistol permit. I went to my local firearms dealer and applied to purchase a pistol. To be approved at the dealer you must be submitted to a telephone background check, National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). After approximately 30 minutes I was Denied! ???????? Next step, I contacted NICS directly and find out why? To my surprise, when I was brought to the "hospital" it was a "mental health facility" About a month later the chief of police from my township finds out, he then knocks on my door and insists I hand over my Firearms ID card. He has not been very helpful and tells me I can take this to court. But I am unsure of what I should be prepared for. Does anyone have any input on a situation like this?

December 25, 2015, 06:10 PM	#4
101combatvet Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2011 Posts: 667	Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes a determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that you are a danger to yourself or to others or are incompetent to manage your own affairs) OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution? (See Instructions for Question 11.f.) ATF Form 4473 __________________ Special Operations Combat Veteran Gunsmith, BS, MFA, Competitive Shooter NRA Certified Firearms Instructor [9 Certifications]

December 25, 2015, 06:29 PM	#5
rwilson452 Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 2004 Location: Tioga co. PA Posts: 2,647	Your going to need a lawyer and the hospital records. Then your lawyer can determine the next step. As your in NJ I wouldn't hold out much help. __________________ USNRET '61-'81

December 25, 2015, 08:43 PM	#6
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	As others said, you need to speak to a competent attorney. We don't know the whole situation, and we don't have access to the relevant documentation. Nor would it be prudent to post that much personal information on a public forum. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

December 25, 2015, 04:20 PM	#2
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,968	unfortunately you are in a may issue state that is generally no issue. if you have the money to hire a lawyer you can do so but be mindful that you are fighting an uphill battle in NJ.

December 25, 2015, 05:53 PM	#3
Billy Z Junior Member Join Date: December 23, 2015 Posts: 3	@JERRYS post. In what direction should I present an issue of this nature with a attorney? Is it possible to ever obtain a Firearms ID card after being "instituted" regardless of the duration of stay?