Precision Bullets 200gr. SWC - Page 2

David R · January 13, 2018, 11:19 PM

Did you do the plunk test?

Davif

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uncle.45 · January 13, 2018, 11:32 PM

I thought I posted a response, but I don't see it.
Yes, David. They all plunk very nicely, and cycle by hand very smoothly thru my 1911s.
Thanks for a response!

uncle.45 · January 14, 2018, 05:22 PM

It didn't start well at the range today, but it got better.
I was going to 'warm up' the pistols with a few of the wife's bunny fart rounds, and on the second round out of the revolver I had a SQUIB!
After removing that, it got a lot better.

All rounds tested were with Precision Bullets 200gr SWCs using Magtech brass and WLPs. COL is 1.255 and crimp is .471.

3.8gr--Recoil is soft.
Function is 81.25% (3 FTEs in 16 shots. 1911 not happy)
Accuracy is OK, but hits high.
Guns are both clean.

4.0gr--Recoil is still fairly soft.
Function is 100% (Me and 1911 HAPPY!)
Accuracy is better, hits to POA, and the group shrank a little.
Guns are both still quite clean.

4.2gr--Recoil is a little snappy, but still moderate.
Function is still 100%.
Accuracy is basically the same, but hits a little low.
Guns are both still surprisingly clean.

The verdict--4.0gr is the winner!
There is zero leading at these loads , and very little carbon or other crud to clean.
4.0gr shoots great, and runs 100% in my 1911.
What more can you ask for?
I am basically a HAPPY CAMPER!! (In case you couldn't tell)
Do any of you think it will be worthwhile to play with the COL a little each way to see if the accuracy can be improved?
Thanks for the input!

Edit-- I just realized that if I removed the Shok Buf from the 1911 it may function at the 3.8gr load, and the POI may change. When I can, I will try it, and let you know what difference it makes.

David R · January 15, 2018, 02:32 PM

If your loads feed in the magazine and pass the plunk test, its all you can do.

I read you made the rounds just short enough to fit the magazine. They will work fine.

I used Clays. I tried 3.9 with a powder coated 200 SWC. It would almost make my 3.5" officers model operate. I cannot change springs on this one, so I wanted minimum that would still function.

I went up to 4.0 Clays and function was perfect. I loaded about 700 of those for bowling pins. I loaded another 300 with 4.4 (max in the book) using my oldest mismatched brass. Kind of disposable rounds. I loaded some 45 colt rounds to use up the full 14 oz can of Clays.

I have crony figures, but now here at work.

David

uncle.45 · January 15, 2018, 05:49 PM

David,
According to Hodgdon, these rounds should be 0.030" shorter than they are, and I have about 0.025" between the bullets and the magazine shell.
However, I doubt going shorter would improve accuracy at all, and going longer than the magazines will feed still won't get the bullets to the lands.
SW1911 E Series pistols have a LONG chamber. Unless I put a 'Match' barrel in it, you are right.There are no advantages to changing the COL.
I just removed the recoil buffer from both 1911s. I don't shoot heavy loads or +P ammo any more, so I won't need them.
Without the buffers, I think these pistols will cycle properly with the 3.8gr load.
I will load a few, and see. If they cycle OK, then the POI is the only thing left to consider.
If it hits closer to POA than before, then I will make that my pet Clays load.
If not, I will bump back up to 4.0gr and go with it. They shot very well.

David R · January 15, 2018, 07:47 PM

4.0 Clay's, federal match primer.

5" 784 av
3.5" 674 fps av for a 10 shot string. Don't have SD. Was not much.

My OAL has just enough shoulder to touch the leade. I have a Wilson's match barrel.

Enjoy
David

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uncle.45 · January 15, 2018, 07:54 PM

I see a match barrel in my future.
Even at 1.275 they wouldn't contact the leads, and they scraped the inside of the magazines.
Fine for casual plinking, but I like to make single holes with 8 round magazines.

rodfac · January 15, 2018, 08:51 PM

When I'm too lazy to cast my own, I use MIssouri Bullet Company's .45 cal., 200 gr TWC (a dead ringer for the old H&G #68 target bullet). That MBC TWC is as accurate as any factory loaded .45 target round that I've tested, and is a good deal cheaper...you can do no better! Rod

uncle.45 · January 16, 2018, 08:00 AM

Rod,
I looked at MBCs .452" 200gr offerings, and I didn't see a TWC.
The Bullseye #1 looks perfect, though. The price is competitive too.
Thanks!
I have been at the bullet casting subforum and the castboolits forum a lot lately. I think casting may be added to my reloading addiction pretty soon!

January 13, 2018, 11:32 PM	#27
uncle.45 Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2017 Location: Lakeland, Florida Posts: 134	I thought I posted a response, but I don't see it. Yes, David. They all plunk very nicely, and cycle by hand very smoothly thru my 1911s. Thanks for a response! __________________ Shoot Often, Have Fun, BE SAFE!

January 14, 2018, 05:22 PM	#28
uncle.45 Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2017 Location: Lakeland, Florida Posts: 134	The results are in--HAPPY, HAPPY! It didn't start well at the range today, but it got better. I was going to 'warm up' the pistols with a few of the wife's bunny fart rounds, and on the second round out of the revolver I had a SQUIB! After removing that, it got a lot better. All rounds tested were with Precision Bullets 200gr SWCs using Magtech brass and WLPs. COL is 1.255 and crimp is .471. 3.8gr--Recoil is soft. Function is 81.25% (3 FTEs in 16 shots. 1911 not happy) Accuracy is OK, but hits high. Guns are both clean. 4.0gr--Recoil is still fairly soft. Function is 100% (Me and 1911 HAPPY!) Accuracy is better, hits to POA, and the group shrank a little. Guns are both still quite clean. 4.2gr--Recoil is a little snappy, but still moderate. Function is still 100%. Accuracy is basically the same, but hits a little low. Guns are both still surprisingly clean. The verdict--4.0gr is the winner! There is zero leading at these loads , and very little carbon or other crud to clean. 4.0gr shoots great, and runs 100% in my 1911. What more can you ask for? I am basically a HAPPY CAMPER!! (In case you couldn't tell) Do any of you think it will be worthwhile to play with the COL a little each way to see if the accuracy can be improved? Thanks for the input! Edit-- I just realized that if I removed the Shok Buf from the 1911 it may function at the 3.8gr load, and the POI may change. When I can, I will try it, and let you know what difference it makes. __________________ Shoot Often, Have Fun, BE SAFE! Last edited by uncle.45; January 15, 2018 at 08:02 AM.

January 15, 2018, 05:49 PM	#30
uncle.45 Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2017 Location: Lakeland, Florida Posts: 134	David, According to Hodgdon, these rounds should be 0.030" shorter than they are, and I have about 0.025" between the bullets and the magazine shell. However, I doubt going shorter would improve accuracy at all, and going longer than the magazines will feed still won't get the bullets to the lands. SW1911 E Series pistols have a LONG chamber. Unless I put a 'Match' barrel in it, you are right.There are no advantages to changing the COL. I just removed the recoil buffer from both 1911s. I don't shoot heavy loads or +P ammo any more, so I won't need them. Without the buffers, I think these pistols will cycle properly with the 3.8gr load. I will load a few, and see. If they cycle OK, then the POI is the only thing left to consider. If it hits closer to POA than before, then I will make that my pet Clays load. If not, I will bump back up to 4.0gr and go with it. They shot very well. __________________ Shoot Often, Have Fun, BE SAFE!

January 15, 2018, 07:54 PM	#32
uncle.45 Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2017 Location: Lakeland, Florida Posts: 134	I see a match barrel in my future. Even at 1.275 they wouldn't contact the leads, and they scraped the inside of the magazines. Fine for casual plinking, but I like to make single holes with 8 round magazines. __________________ Shoot Often, Have Fun, BE SAFE!

January 15, 2018, 08:51 PM	#33
rodfac Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,623	When I'm too lazy to cast my own, I use MIssouri Bullet Company's .45 cal., 200 gr TWC (a dead ringer for the old H&G #68 target bullet). That MBC TWC is as accurate as any factory loaded .45 target round that I've tested, and is a good deal cheaper...you can do no better! Rod __________________ Cherish our flag, honor it, defend it in word and deed, or get the hell out. Our Bill of Rights has been paid for by heros in uniform and shall not be diluted by misguided governmental social experiments. We owe this to our children, anything less is cowardice. USAF FAC, 5th Spl Forces, Vietnam Vet '69-'73.

January 13, 2018, 11:19 PM	#26
David R Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2015 Location: The swamps of WNY Posts: 753	Did you do the plunk test? Davif Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

January 15, 2018, 02:32 PM	#29
David R Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2015 Location: The swamps of WNY Posts: 753	If your loads feed in the magazine and pass the plunk test, its all you can do. I read you made the rounds just short enough to fit the magazine. They will work fine. I used Clays. I tried 3.9 with a powder coated 200 SWC. It would almost make my 3.5" officers model operate. I cannot change springs on this one, so I wanted minimum that would still function. I went up to 4.0 Clays and function was perfect. I loaded about 700 of those for bowling pins. I loaded another 300 with 4.4 (max in the book) using my oldest mismatched brass. Kind of disposable rounds. I loaded some 45 colt rounds to use up the full 14 oz can of Clays. I have crony figures, but now here at work. David

January 15, 2018, 07:47 PM	#31
David R Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2015 Location: The swamps of WNY Posts: 753	4.0 Clay's, federal match primer. 5" 784 av 3.5" 674 fps av for a 10 shot string. Don't have SD. Was not much. My OAL has just enough shoulder to touch the leade. I have a Wilson's match barrel. Enjoy David Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

January 16, 2018, 08:00 AM	#34
uncle.45 Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2017 Location: Lakeland, Florida Posts: 134	Rod, I looked at MBCs .452" 200gr offerings, and I didn't see a TWC. The Bullseye #1 looks perfect, though. The price is competitive too. Thanks! I have been at the bullet casting subforum and the castboolits forum a lot lately. I think casting may be added to my reloading addiction pretty soon! __________________ Shoot Often, Have Fun, BE SAFE!