Bear mauling in Anchorage Alaska

[dipper]

Socrates,
You may have missed this little story about the "guys" from Vegas.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/04/roy.attacked/
They are STILL and ALWAYS WILD animals.

Dipper

[Wildalaska]

What kind of slugs do Rangers use?

I got in my head Winchester Ranger 2 3/4

WilddontaskmewhythatswhatithinktheyuseuphereAlaska TM

[Socrates]

dipper:
It came out later Roy had a heart attack. The tiger, sensing this, grabbed him, and dragged him, to what she thought was safety. Tiger must think being on stage is very risky, and, she's probably right. It does illustrate a serious problem with having a wild animal. My cats teeth and claws easily go through my skin when she's playing with me. It's taken awhile, but, she's been trained enough to know that she can hurt me, with claws. Her claws and teeth don't leave nearly 1", or more, holes...

One time, my 14 pound cat came off the window, going from one room in the house to the other, protecting us against another cat, outside. My nose happened to be on her air path out of the window, and, I now have a slice scar, where, unintentionally, she cut my nose, really good.
What if she weighed 500 pounds???

She didn't intend to do it, but she did...Now, think of how female tigers carry cubs, then think what a 600 pound female tiger thinks of Roy, and, now you understand why Roy is still alive, after being dragged off stage by a 600 pound tiger. For perspective, the only real protection against a tiger is an elephant. If that tiger was trying to kill Roy, she would have bit, and ripped his head off...easily...

If the tiger was trying to kill Roy, to put it bluntly, one swipe from a brown bear will decapitate a black bear.

Here's what happens when she goes bad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1U4hu1oB34&NR=1


One swipe from one of Roys' tigers would turn his head into a bowling ball for cats. Yes crude, but, it makes the point.

One of the rescue camps in Nevada gives tigers, and a liger, a 16 pound bowling ball for a play toy, since they treat it like a ball of yarn.

Small cats have incredible memories for the source of food, and, activities. They can remember for months where the
dental floss is, even though after pulling it out their buns, they'll never get anymore. The big cats are even smarter, and, have no aversion to actually showing affection towards people that treat them so...

If you really want to put your life in the hands of a wild animal, you can, and, you may live a long time, you may not. Depends on the animal..

Here are some examples:

Take your cats for a walk:



Here is a fierce cat video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4i3jKwpp8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot37hzGt06g

The title is bull, but, this is what happens when you piss off mom, by threatening her cubs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mva-85cZ4R0&NR=1

I do tend to agree some pets have worse downsides then others:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUaZS...eature=related

[dipper]

dipper:
It came out later Roy had a heart attack. The tiger, sensing this, grabbed him, and dragged him, to what she thought was safety. Tiger must think being on stage is very risky, and, she's probably right. It does illustrate a serious problem with having a wild animal.

Sorry Socrates,
but I will never believe that story.
I remember watching the attack in 2003 and I spent some time on Youtube tonight just to make sure my memory was correct.
It was an attack plain and simple--He may have had a heart attack AFTER or DURING the attack but that isn't what caused the mauling.
It was an act of aggression and a attack---as far as the story of a heart attack causing it well, what do you expect the casino owners to say?? What with that act bringing in probably millions a year when you count all the gambling involved let alone the show tickets.
They didn't build a stage and give the guys a RR for nothing--it's big money and thats what they were thinking about when they came up with that story---another case of putting HUMAN emotions onto animals--wild animals--yeah, the cat was just trying to protect Roy that's all--the show is safe, come back and spend your money--yeah, I'll believe that one!!
The eye witness accounts don't say anything about Roy being sick---they say it happened very fast and the cat meant to attack him.

Dipper

[AZAK]

Nnobby45-

That is what I usually have loaded in the 870 12 GA when out up here. I have never had to use any weapon in an animal attack/charge; but, I have had lots of various weapons pointed in their direction over the years.

When I go bike riding, I personally do take a big can of bear spray, and my G29 10mm. As a friend said years ago, if nothing else the pepper will add a little seasoning, and I hope that the pistol hurts like %^%$#@ when he tries to pass it!

But, in all seriousness the spray has proven to be a very effective deterrent. Numbers can be looked up. Just take a second can along on longer excursions, after emptying the first can into the face of a charging bear miles from your rig you might want a second one for the way out!

[Socrates]

Well, I'm watching some tiger expert, Randy Smith, trying to recreate a tiger attack, the 2003 tiger attack. Monticore, steps
towards a woman with big hair...
First off, Monticore sounds like a boy tiger, big mistake...
Wow. The discovery channel is looking about the same as Jerry Springer, with computers...

They bait the cat to attack him, with meat, and then wonder why the tiger,
"Hunts the food on my body."
What Bu.l.....

I'm sorry, but with no video evidence, do you really buy the garbage Discovery Channel put on?

I will say again: If the cat was trying to kill him, he would have bit hard enough to kill him, and, he didn't...

I will give you this: 'playing' with a tiger can be fatal. Jim Corbett had one pet tiger, and, it started to like a spot on his leg. It was a scratch, blood was present. Corbett shot the tiger in the ear, at point blank range, with a pistol. He wrote that it was clear, in his experience, that this had turned from play, to his death...

[Nnobby45]

Brenneke 3" 1oz 12 GA

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Nnobby45-

That is what I usually have loaded in the 870 12 GA when out up here. I have never had to use any weapon in an animal attack/charge; but, I have had lots of various weapons pointed in their direction over the years.

Well, thanks, AZAK. Sounds like Brennekes it is for Black Bear on up and maybe Fosters for Black Bear on down.

If you have two Brownies lined up one behind the other, maybe 3" Black Magic 1 3/8oz. Brennekes will get em both with one shot.

[Wildalaska]

Here is an update...20 grizzly bears roaming around a city park...
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/452938.html

Attack risk high in city's bear-dense park
FAR NORTH BICENTENNIAL: Site of teen's mauling frequented by at least 20 bruins fishing for salmon.

By GEORGE BRYSON
[email protected]

(07/02/08 00:01:45)

There aren't just a couple of grizzlies that traipse through Far North Bicentennial Park at the eastern edge of Anchorage each summer.

At least 20 have passed through over a two-year period.

So says state wildlife biologist Sean Farley, who spent the past two summers gathering telltale DNA specimens from brown bears that frequent the mostly wild 4,000-acre park.

And Farley isn't surprised that the place where one such bear attacked and mauled a 15-year-old Anchorage girl early Sunday morning was near the intersection of the South Fork Campbell Creek and the Gasline Trail.

That's one corner of a three-sided zone -- a bear-dense triangle-like area bounded by the north and south forks of Campbell Creek and the gasline to the east -- where he either saw or found DNA-rich hair samples of nearly all those bears.

"From our collared (bear) studies, we had some that would swing on down the South Fork and turn the corner and go up the North Fork," Farley said Tuesday in a telephone interview.

"That triangle that's demarcated by the north and south forks and by the gasline gets a lot of brown bear use -- and black bears. But primarily brown bears."

During the last week of June and the first week of July, king salmon begin to enter the creeks and brown bears move in, Farley said.

Earlier in the summer, they're scattered far and wide. But when the salmon run begins, most of the collared bears he's tracked in recent summers are within 100 yards of the streams and adjacent creek-side trails. Rover's Run, where the attack occurred, is one of those, paralleling Campbell Creek's south fork.

Bears will stay there all summer until the salmon runs subside and they disperse in search of berries, Farley said.

COEXISTING WITH BEARS

A research biologist for the southcentral region of the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, Farley wonders whether the city might consider creating a trail-less corridor in areas where brown bears historically feed.

At the same time, he realizes those areas -- beside picturesque creeks and greenbelts -- attract people too.

"A lot of people like to walk along the streams and they like to see the fish, and so trails tend to be put in those areas," he said. "But unfortunately, the bears like those trails also."

The city parks department on Tuesday posted more signs near Rover's Run, warning park users to avoid the trail because of the current danger with brown bears in the area.

Meanwhile, the parents of mauling victim Petra Davis asked the media to "honor our request for privacy until Petra can tell her story in her own words."

"She is still being treated in the critical care unit, but she is expected to make a full recovery," Mark and Darcy Davis said, addressing the public in a written statement released Tuesday by Providence Alaska Medical Center.

A student at South High School, Davis was attacked by a bear shortly after 1 a.m. Sunday while competing in an all-night mountain-bike race.

In an earlier message to friends and members of the local biking community, the Davises detailed the nature of their daughter's wounds.

"She suffered lacerations and punctures to her neck, right shoulder, torso, buttocks and right thigh," they said. "Despite the severity, she is doing very well."

Davis underwent surgery Sunday evening to repair her carotid artery and was due to undergo additional operations on her trachea and possibly her esophagus on Monday, the family added. No other surgeries were expected.

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My local park is Kincaid, down by the airport. A grizzly was killed there last year.

Wildok44timeAlaska TM

[deanadell]

thanks for the update.....looks like she's going to pull though OK I guess....

[crowbeaner]

Good to hear that she's going to pull through! Whew! I thought that Sara Barracuda was going to have to pull out her .375. Good for the Drs and patient. Our prayers go to her and her family. Why in H*** did the organizers plan the race with the KNOWN danger when the salmon are running? I hope Petra and her family own them after this.

[ForneyRider]

I used to live off of Hillside dr. in Anchorage.

The moose were a regular occurrence in our yard.

Never had a bear in the neighborhood, but several occurrences of bears on the North side of Hillside Dr. over by D'Armon(sp?).

Opened the side garage door of the house and stared a moose in the eye. Wasn't 4 feet from me. I just shut the door to think about it. I opened the door again and he had moved on to the back yard.

Of course, several outings into Mat-Su area for legal bull hunts resulting in bupkiss.

I thought they darted the bears and hauled them off. I guess the policy is to kill the bears that attack. The bears wander into town, and eat the garbage and dog food, and tear the dogs up.

[bluedog]

just have the legislature pass a 'law' outlawing the bears presence on all bike trails....this will make the trails 'safe' for their subjects...I mean citizens.

[Socrates]

I know this isn't really a funny thread. However, I can't help but comment that when I read:
"Bear mauling in Anchorage Alaska"
my first reaction is,
"Who, or what, is mauling the bear?"

[AZAK]

"Who, or what, is mauling the bear?"

Now, THAT is a SCARY thought!

[Socrates]

Someone once posted that a brown bear decapitated a black bear with one, quick stroke of the paw.