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February 26, 2014, 12:25 AM | #76 | |
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The myth that a shotgun won't over-penetrate is just as incorrect as the myth that a .223 will over-penetrate. Buckshot zips through interior walls like crazy, and smaller loads aren't much better; at close home-defense ranges even birdshot is clumped together enough that it will over-penetrate. If you're worried about over-penetration inside your house, a shotgun is the last gun you should be using.
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February 26, 2014, 07:51 AM | #77 |
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A 20 gauge also recoils much harder than a .223/5.56.
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February 26, 2014, 08:15 AM | #78 |
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1. Something similar to what they have used before. Familiarity helps with using a firearm.
2. something in the same caliber as there handgun. They are more likely to have ammo if it is all the same. 3. Something they think is cool. More likely to practice with a gun you like 4. Something with cheep ammo. Practice more for less money 5. Something fun. If the gun is fun for the owner to shoot they will practice more
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Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull. all 26 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple. Wish my wife did as well... |
February 26, 2014, 03:02 PM | #79 | |
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That's true. Someone who has hunted rabbits with their shotgun for years would be well served using that gun for home defense. Someone who shoots cowboy action matches with an 1873 replica lever rifle might be fine using that for home defense. Pump shotguns have a lot going for them. Low cost and power are two big advantages. But for someone new to shooting who is only getting a gun for home defense, I think a semi auto rifle would be the easiest firearm to learn. |
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February 28, 2014, 10:54 AM | #80 |
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When it comes to HD shotguns, I like the .410. Easy on recoil, and the new SD ammo hits hard. Unless shotgun sports like clays, hunting, or 3-Gun are in the immediate future, the .410 pump or semi-auto will do just fine.
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February 28, 2014, 07:13 PM | #81 |
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If you people wish to convince me that a shotgun has the same power to penetrate as a 223/5.56, how about giving me a you tube example?
Yes shotgun pellets can go through drywall. Will they go through the neighbors house? http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/theboxotruth.htm has some penetration tests. With a 223. The bullet went through twelve 3/4" pine boards. Tell me about a 20ga, shotgun round, (other than maybe a slug), that will do that. If your bullet misses your target, or goes through it, you have an uncontrollable situation. The more powerful the round, the more liability you have. Last edited by DannyB1954; February 28, 2014 at 07:38 PM. |
February 28, 2014, 08:16 PM | #82 |
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DannyB1954, that video you linked is using FMJs. No one should use FMJs for home defense. Here's a test that shows a JHP or JSP .223 round penetrates less through interior walls than handgun or shotgun loads:
http://how-i-did-it.org/drywall/results.html And here's another test: http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?opt...d=15&Itemid=26
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February 28, 2014, 09:19 PM | #83 | |
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February 28, 2014, 09:54 PM | #84 | |
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It's similar to the results the Mythbusters had when they tested how far various guns would shoot into water. They shot into a pool and discovered that the high-powered rifle rounds traveled the shortest distance into the water due to violent and rapid fragmentation, whereas the handgun rounds would stay intact and travel a lot father. So if you decide to dive underwater to avoid being shot, a 9mm is going to go a lot deeper than a .50 BMG round.
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March 31, 2014, 09:23 AM | #85 |
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A touch of a revival. Yesterday, we had a mixed match - handgun, handgun + rifle, or classic three gun.
A nice newbie young man or two were trying out 12 gauge pumps. Things I noticed: 1. They did miss quite a bit shooting birdshot at steel. At three gun distances, they shoot in front, left or right. Thus, the idea that you can't miss - well, we know that wasn't true. 2. Manipulation was so very slow. Loading, second shots, etc. Point is that for a novice, the shotgun isn't a wonder weapon.
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