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The .380 is a good round. It noticeably softer recoiling in a firearm of the same size, weight, and function than a 9MM but the direct blow-back PPK copies have FAR more perceived recoil than a gun of their size and weight should.
For pocket carry, when we are getting to fairly small and light guns, the .380 is a good choice. It offers less recoil than a 9MM (caveats of similar size, weight, operation apply) and as these guns already recoil plenty they are a fine choice. Personally I would look towards the Keltec P32 Yep - the .32 caliper version. Less recoil as pocketable a pistol as you are likely to find without getting into the .25 and .22 variants.
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I've got to say, I'm so darned glad that I never heard that before I bought my bodyguard. I might not have made that decision. My hands are a bit recoil sensitive, but I still don't find the pocket pistol to be unpleasant to shoot. The only unpleasant thing about this gun is having the brass bouncing off of my nose and falling down the front of my shirt.
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Another vote for the Pico. Very high quality although mine took about 200 rounds to begin functioning smoothly (had several misfeeds before then).
The magazine release takes some getting used to on a Pico. Also, anyone who reads internet caliber discussions knows that .380s bounce off bad guy's bodies like rubber pellets, while .45 puts them through four walls and a coffin. |
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Wait, you're saying the LCP has a 3lb trigger pull? I just paid $300 for a trigger job to get my competition pistol down to 3lbs!
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Three pounds is fine in a target pistol, but three pounds is not what I want in a carry gun.
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The LCP II doesn't even have a 3 lb trigger pull, let alone the original LCP. I'm not sure where you found that info.
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I measured it using my Lyman Digital Trigger gauge.
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LCP II is a trigger pull of 5.5lbs (if yours is 3lbs, you, your scale, or your trigger is messed up Send it back to Ruger)
LCP I is a trigger pull of 6.5lbs LCP II does lock back on an empty mag, but even with the standard LCP, its a training issue. Its also a matter of purpose.
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Forget the 380 (buy a P238 if you just can't) and get a P938...Not much bigger than the P238 and is still very easy to shoot. Plus you get 9mm power in a 380 sized gun.
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Locking back helps to confirm an empty magazine and can facilitate faster turn-around on a mag change. That's nice but it doesn't strike me as crucial for a tiny CCW. I look to this class of firearm when carry space is at a super premium. At that kind of premium, chances are that I'm not carrying a spare magazine anyway. In fact, having fewer features or controls can have value in that kind of gun. |
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I understand many folk like the LCP and that's fine; but it does not change or invalidate any of the facts I pointed out. I have absolutely no issue with people liking an LCP or Lite Beer or green peas.
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Attempts to misrepresent what I say do not change the actual content of what I post.
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The premises are up for debate. We could reasonably debate the value of second strike capability and note that it is actually fairly common considering most striker fired guns lack it. We could debate the value of locking open after the last round considering how often these guns are carried sans spare magazine. We don't debate those things though. We create arguments that attack the user instead. Last edited by Lohman446; May 17, 2019 at 09:24 AM. |
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No one's opinion can invalidate facts like what I measured the trigger pull or the fact that it does not have a second strike capability or the fact that it does not lock back onj an empty magazine. People can hold an opinion that those are things they wish to live with or do not see those as an issue, but that does not change the facts. The facts do not get invalidated, they remain facts. And I have no issue with what other folk like or prefer. In fact I think it's great that there is the variety available for folks to choose from. But the topic was on .380 opinions and my opinion is that I really like 380 as a carry option and rank my 380 caliber pistols as outlined above. Sorry if you are bothered by he fact that I find the LCP simply not at all among those that enjoy the most. Maybe you even drink Lite Beer.
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I find the LCP custom with laser attached to be a great replacement for the category of "derringer" size guns but with a lot more bullets. Although, being a semi-auto, it is not any good for shooting from within a pocket.
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What pocket do you normally use for carry? Do you use a pocket holster? |
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Now, set your little digital toy to lb instead of kg, and tell us how "too light" that 6 to 6 1/2 pound trigger is!
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AbE: The issue is that even if the trigger pull fell into a reasonable range the LCP still suffers from all the other issues I described. It's simply not going to move into the same class as my other 380s. Lots of folk like them. Great. Ruger makes money selling them. Great. But it's simply still at the bottom of my list of choices. Please understand, I'm not knocking the LCP or any other gun someone likes. In fact today I was carrying a pistol that suffers from many of the same issues as seen in the LCP; no lock back on an empty magazine and no second strike capability and an unusual field strip procedure with at least one step that is critical in reassembly. But it does have the excuse that it's 95 years old and not a really modern design. It is striker fired though (and I even have and have had other striker fired pistols) and just a 7.65 cartridge. Bigger than the LCP but still pocket size. The LCP may well be the perfect pistol for someone else and if so then wonderful. But I find it sadly lacking.
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