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Three questions for you guys.
First up, what's the differences between the M9 and 92fs? Second, why does army SF use the M9 and not the 92fs? Finally, is there a reason beyond contracts that SF uses Beretta? |
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These 2 sites will answer your questions
http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/true_story_m9.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_92fs
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The 92FS also has a slanted dust cover which I find more attractive, and a grip that is a bit more ergonomic with an indentation where the web of your hand fits a bit better. The M9 has stayed the M9 due to the contract specs, the 92FS has evolved a bit. The both shoot the same.
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Yes, I do mean Army special forces as in Green Berets. Technically Seals aren't SF but SOF. Unless otherwise noted SF is army and SOF can be other special forces from other branches. Most people use these interchangeably but they are different. I know SEALs use Sigs and they have a ton of room to pick their own weapons. I also know SF have this option too but it seems to me that they are more restricted than SEALs and was wondering if anyone here knew why this might be the case. If I had to guess I would assume it was big army stuff and tied to contracts but who knows. |
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Thanks for the answers guys and the fast responses. I'll read up on those links you sent when I get a minute later today. Not really interested in the Beretta but I just wanted to learn.
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+1 on those links. I too will plow into them more when I have more time.
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It is an interesting subject to some degree. I have served with and known a lot of Green Beret/Special Forces Men to include Rangers. I put them all in the same high category of well trained soldiers. In my experience (Nam Era) they were in no more of a hazardous position than most of the rest of us field soldiers (I was in the combat engineers/a jungle clearing unit). They generally were very dedicated to helping our friendly forces comrades in their training and insertion into combat. Typically they carried the same military issued firearms. I do not recall ever meeting a Navy Seal.
I do think there maybe a big difference when you speak of what I might describe as Delta Forces. I am sure they tailor their firearms to the mission at hand. They are so well trained and qualified as to be able to handle any tool for their mission. God Bless them all. In my experience it was not so much the specifics of the firearm but rather how much ammo you could carry to accommodate an engagement. Air Cover and artillery support were often the difference to coming home. The guys flying the hueys with the white crosses were the heros. I suspect the same is true today. Last edited by JohnKSa; December 24, 2013 at 12:43 AM. Reason: Off Topic Comment Deleted. |
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My M9 has a three dot sight.
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Thanks for all your responses guys. Just wanted to clear something up. I know the M9 is the military version but I was hoping to find out why they use that and not the 92fs. I know why some of their rifles and carbines are different due to select fire capabilities, barrel length, etc. But I've yet to figure out what major difference exists between the M9 that makes the army use that one.
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I think (could very well be wrong though), that the M9 style came around first. Then Beretta came out with the 92 for civilian market later, with the slight changes. I.E. Radiused backstrap, slanted dust cover, and 3 dot sights.
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I could be wrong but I believe the M9 is manufactured in USA which makes for good PR.
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All the M9's are manufactured in the U.S. by contract. The 92FS is made both in the U.S., and Italy. I have Italian, and U.S. made 92FS's.
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DubC-Hicks, you have it precisely reversed. The Model 92 existed before the US military had the competition that led to the adoption of the M9. The US asked for some minor changes which the links above probably explain fully, and Beretta made changes for the civilian model, hence 92F and 92FS.. I should go there now and have a read. Bart Noir
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I've never seen an M9 with 3 dot sights. The new commercial version still has the dot and post, at least mine and 5 or 6 at the local shop do.
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Beretta armorer. The course is the same for M9, A1, and 92fs. I believe it has been explained above. Just think of the Sig P228 (Army CID pistol.) The Military designated it as the M11. The US holds the pattern on the M9 and can use outside vendors for replacement parts (which has turned out to be a huge mistake for the most part.)
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Bart has it right. Lets face it the pistol is a side arm and not nearly as important in most all combat situations.
I carried my M1911A1, but only used it one. The old M-16 was what we depended upon. I carried it and 36 magazines loaded with 18 rounds each. |
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My bad!!! It is a post and dot on the commercial M9. Been awhile since I've shot it.
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Half of the M9s in my company's arms room have three-dot sights now. Since the Army is still in possession of them, I can assure you that they're not stolen.
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Thanks IZ, for the update. Do you know if those 3-dot sights were added since those particular M9s were purchased by Big Green?
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