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Old January 5, 2020, 08:36 PM   #1
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The Courts Aren’t Going To Give You Anything You Can’t Take For Yourselves

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That’s the argument in the above thread summarized. I think it has merit. In my opinion, we’re past the point where we can rely on fair process from our government to adhere to the rules laid out in the Constitution.

We are now in the phase where you get whatever you can win or credibly threaten to win. It is all about leverage now. I don’t think that’s a positive development and even if it goes the best way I imagine it will be horrible; but I feel like we’ve been at this point for many years now. In my view, we’re in the Sulla/Marius phase now... and even if Sulla/Marius wins, he’ll have to condemn his best supporters to support the war costs.

I’ve been wrong before though and I’d really like to be wrong now.
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Old January 5, 2020, 09:50 PM   #2
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Old January 5, 2020, 10:10 PM   #3
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Old January 26, 2020, 11:30 AM   #4
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Probably can't hurt, but it reads like a transparent attempt to shame SCOTUS into action

better writers than those at the link have tried and failed for years
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Old January 26, 2020, 01:23 PM   #5
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Old January 26, 2020, 02:40 PM   #6
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We can only lose what we allow them to take.
Great slogan. Not so true in the real world, though.

Anyone who has ever been defeated (at anything) despite trying their absolute hardest knows this.

We absolutely do lose what we allow them to take, but we can also lose what we cannot prevent them from taking, no matter how much we try.

My point here is that resisting to the absolute fullest of our ability and still losing is NOT "allowing" the other side to win.
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Old January 26, 2020, 03:18 PM   #7
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My point here is that resisting to the absolute fullest of our ability and still losing is NOT "allowing" the other side to win.
Except for the fact that we are not "resisting to the absolute fullest", not even close.
So yes, we are allowing them to take our rights.
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Old January 26, 2020, 03:54 PM   #8
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people have "God given" rights, governments have people given powers. people are suppose to control the government, not the government controlling the people.
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governments have people given powers. people are suppose to control the government, not the government controlling the people.
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Except for the fact that we are not "resisting to the absolute fullest", not even close.
So yes, we are allowing them to take our rights.
"Resisting to the absolute fullest," would entail using lethal force against the government. I suspect there wouldn't be many takers who would murder and then be killed or imprisoned because the government wouldn't allow stuff like concealed carry, the use of "high capacity" magazines, etc.
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