Small 9mm with External Hammer

Rjeezie · July 14, 2013, 10:08 PM

Looking for a carry 9mm but I want something with an external hammer. First thing that jumped in my mind was a Sig... but I want to consider everything.

Herr Walther · July 14, 2013, 10:19 PM

Walther P5, P5 Compact, SIG-Sauer P225/P6.

Not very well known or popular because of price. It's a very slick pistol and extremely accurate.

allaroundhunter · July 14, 2013, 10:30 PM

Sig P938...best one you're gonna find.

If you want a DA/SA then a Sig P239 (it is also slightly bigger than the 938).

foxytwo · July 15, 2013, 06:05 AM

Keltec PF9 has a external hammer and is the smallest 9mm made.
good pocket pistol or cc pistol.

Laz · July 15, 2013, 08:55 AM

LC9 is another. (Though not one you can cock.)

Technosavant · July 15, 2013, 08:57 AM

If "small" means "able to be pocket carried" then I'd go Sig P938 or P290. The P290 RS is a reasonably priced poly framed DAO gun, the P938 if you prefer metal frames and single action (and are willing to pay the higher price).

Both are good guns. I have a P938 and recommend it highly.

Pyzon · July 15, 2013, 09:42 AM

My PF9 has no external hammer.......Are you sure yours does ?

Jim243 · July 15, 2013, 09:51 AM

CZ makes a nice line up of compacts. RAMI, Compact, PCR and P-01.

Jim

dajowi · July 15, 2013, 10:54 AM

Small 9mm with external hammer...Springfield EMP.

Walt Sherrill · July 15, 2013, 11:28 AM

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My PF9 has no external hammer.......Are you sure yours does ?

It has a hammer alright, and it's external -- but it's buried in the rear of the slide so that it can't be thumb-cocked...

If the OP is just seeking to avoid a striker-fired pistol, the PF9 is hammer-fired. If he wants a thumb-cockable weapon, he needs to look elsewhere.

Scout · July 15, 2013, 11:36 AM

Beretta PX 4 Compact

Herr Walther · July 15, 2013, 11:51 AM

We need some clarification as to what you need in a 'small' 9mm with a hammer.

Small to me is what I posted. There's also compact, sub-compact, mini-, and micro.

I think we can assume he doesn't want or need a micro or mini.

allaroundhunter · July 15, 2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr Walther

I think we can assume he doesn't want or need a micro or mini.

Where does that assumption come from?...

Fishbed77 · July 15, 2013, 11:59 AM

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Not very well known or popular because of price. It's a very slick pistol and extremely accurate.

We don't see nearly enough P5s on this website. Fantastic pistols.

Herr Walther · July 15, 2013, 12:02 PM

Do you think that's what he wants or are you just wanting to argue?

ClydeFrog · July 15, 2013, 12:08 PM

In general, Id look at the HK P2000sk LEM(law enforcement modification) or the SIG Sauer P239 DAK(Double Action Kellerman).
A DA only pistol will be safe & you avoid the false claims of misuse or AD by a prosecutor/criminal investigator.

ParaUSA sells the LDA line which is DA only, hammer fired but Im not sure which 9x19mm .

allaroundhunter · July 15, 2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr Walther

Do you think that's what he wants or are you just wanting to argue?

I'm not saying that us what he wants, and I don't want to argue. I'm just suggesting that we give him examples of relatively small pistols and not make assumptions of what he wants until he gives us a little more to go on.

chrisp51 · July 15, 2013, 12:16 PM

Sig P228 or P229. CZ 75d PCR.

Rjeezie · July 15, 2013, 12:58 PM

Sorry for the late response.... Small is in carry... not necessarily pocket carry, but something that can conceal easily.

"External hammer" as in the ability to cock and decock the hammer...

loose_holster_dan · July 15, 2013, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Sorry for the late response.... Small is in carry... not necessarily pocket carry, but something that can conceal easily.

"External hammer" as in the ability to cock and decock the hammer...

sig p239, p228, p229 - all have external hammer and manual decocker
cz pcr (75d compact) - has external hammer and manual decocker - see pic

mumbo719 · July 15, 2013, 02:17 PM

CZ 2075 Rami or the Sig P938's are nice.

lee n. field · July 15, 2013, 04:05 PM

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Looking for a carry 9mm but I want something with an external hammer. First thing that jumped in my mind was a Sig... but I want to consider everything.

Star Firestar. 7 round magazine, single action auto, barely larger (though twice the weight) than a Kel Tec PF9.

carguychris · July 15, 2013, 04:11 PM

It seems like similar questions have come up several times in the last couple of weeks, so let me give a similar answer.

If used guns are in the running, consider the S&W metal-frame centerfire line. These pistols have exposed hammers- usually bobbed on the compacts- and, on standard versions, a hammer-blocking slide-mounted decocker/safety. They were offered in 3 design generations, but factory compacts only came in the last two, and DAO models only in the last one. FWIW almost all standard-production examples that aren't DAO have mag disconnects.

The 2nd-gen compact models were the 469 (blue or nickel finish, alloy frame) and 669 (stainless finish, alloy); both of these are double-stack 12+1rd capacity.

The 3rd-gen model line was more complex. The double-stacks were the 6904 (improved 469), 6906 (improved 669), their DAO equivalents (6944 and 6946), and an uncommon frame-decocker stainless model (the 6926). There were also 8+1rd single-stack versions: the 3913 (stainless), 3914 (matte blue), 3953 (DAO 3913), and 3954 (DAO 3914), along with a pair of budget "Value Series" versions of the first two- the 908S and 908 respectively. Just to make things a wee bit more complicated, there was also an uncommon 3rd-gen subcompact called the CS-9 (for "Chief's Special 9"), which was essentially a 3913/3914 shorn of 1/2" of barrel length and 1 round of mag capacity (7+1rd).

Got all that? There's a test later.

jreXD9 · July 15, 2013, 08:01 PM

CZ 2075 Rami.....slightly smaller than a Glock 26, but a little heavier. I've had both and as far as accuracy goes, the 26 can't touch the Rami. I don't mind at all that it's heavier since I usually carry AIWB anyway. Now, if you want something just a little larger but a hair lighter, see that PCR above. I have one of those, too, and it's even more accurate than the Rami. 28 handguns in 4+ yrs and the best all 'round for me so far have easily been the CZ's. Plus, they're drop dead sexy......

thinktwice · July 15, 2013, 08:55 PM

I would look at the Sig 239. I love mine and it's a real tack driver. However there are smaller 9mm's out there with a little more capacity in the magazine. I guess I have just gotten used to mine so I just carry an extra mag.

July 14, 2013, 10:08 PM	#1
Rjeezie Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2010 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 232	Small 9mm with External Hammer Looking for a carry 9mm but I want something with an external hammer. First thing that jumped in my mind was a Sig... but I want to consider everything.

July 14, 2013, 10:19 PM	#2
Herr Walther Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: A Place Worse than California Posts: 782	Walther P5, P5 Compact, SIG-Sauer P225/P6. Not very well known or popular because of price. It's a very slick pistol and extremely accurate. __________________ "It was people who upheld their duties to their office, the constitution, and the public by opposing Hitler who were called traitors" ------------------------------------- "...a historian asked what had happened to the German people for them to accept a criminal government. Unfortunately, nothing needed to happen. In nations across the world people accept government crime." ------------------------------------- "In democracies as well as dictatorships, subordinates illegally obey their rulers. Subordinates who remain true to their oaths of office by opposing their rulers are rare."

July 14, 2013, 10:30 PM	#3
allaroundhunter Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2012 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 1,670	Re: Small 9mm with External Hammer Sig P938...best one you're gonna find. If you want a DA/SA then a Sig P239 (it is also slightly bigger than the 938).

July 15, 2013, 08:55 AM	#5
Laz Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 1999 Posts: 1,278	LC9 is another. (Though not one you can cock.) __________________ Laz I’m just a nobody, trying to tell everybody, about Somebody, who can save anybody.

July 15, 2013, 09:51 AM	#8
Jim243 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2009 Location: Just off Route 66 Posts: 5,067	CZ makes a nice line up of compacts. RAMI, Compact, PCR and P-01. Jim __________________ Si vis pacem, para bellum

July 15, 2013, 06:05 AM	#4
foxytwo Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2010 Posts: 234	Keltec PF9 has a external hammer and is the smallest 9mm made. good pocket pistol or cc pistol.

July 15, 2013, 08:57 AM	#6
Technosavant Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 4,040	If "small" means "able to be pocket carried" then I'd go Sig P938 or P290. The P290 RS is a reasonably priced poly framed DAO gun, the P938 if you prefer metal frames and single action (and are willing to pay the higher price). Both are good guns. I have a P938 and recommend it highly.

July 15, 2013, 09:42 AM	#7
Pyzon Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2009 Posts: 296	My PF9 has no external hammer.......Are you sure yours does ?

July 15, 2013, 10:54 AM	#9
dajowi Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Posts: 1,196	Small 9mm with external hammer...Springfield EMP.

July 15, 2013, 11:51 AM	#12
Herr Walther Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: A Place Worse than California Posts: 782	We need some clarification as to what you need in a 'small' 9mm with a hammer. Small to me is what I posted. There's also compact, sub-compact, mini-, and micro. I think we can assume he doesn't want or need a micro or mini. __________________ "It was people who upheld their duties to their office, the constitution, and the public by opposing Hitler who were called traitors" ------------------------------------- "...a historian asked what had happened to the German people for them to accept a criminal government. Unfortunately, nothing needed to happen. In nations across the world people accept government crime." ------------------------------------- "In democracies as well as dictatorships, subordinates illegally obey their rulers. Subordinates who remain true to their oaths of office by opposing their rulers are rare."

July 15, 2013, 12:02 PM	#15
Herr Walther Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: A Place Worse than California Posts: 782	Do you think that's what he wants or are you just wanting to argue? __________________ "It was people who upheld their duties to their office, the constitution, and the public by opposing Hitler who were called traitors" ------------------------------------- "...a historian asked what had happened to the German people for them to accept a criminal government. Unfortunately, nothing needed to happen. In nations across the world people accept government crime." ------------------------------------- "In democracies as well as dictatorships, subordinates illegally obey their rulers. Subordinates who remain true to their oaths of office by opposing their rulers are rare."

July 15, 2013, 12:08 PM	#16
ClydeFrog Junior member Join Date: May 1, 2010 Posts: 5,797	New? Used? Self Defense?.... In general, Id look at the HK P2000sk LEM(law enforcement modification) or the SIG Sauer P239 DAK(Double Action Kellerman). A DA only pistol will be safe & you avoid the false claims of misuse or AD by a prosecutor/criminal investigator. ParaUSA sells the LDA line which is DA only, hammer fired but Im not sure which 9x19mm .

July 15, 2013, 12:16 PM	#18
chrisp51 Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2012 Location: NC Posts: 148	Sig P228 or P229. CZ 75d PCR.

July 15, 2013, 12:58 PM	#19
Rjeezie Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2010 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 232	Sorry for the late response.... Small is in carry... not necessarily pocket carry, but something that can conceal easily. "External hammer" as in the ability to cock and decock the hammer...

July 15, 2013, 02:17 PM	#21
mumbo719 Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2008 Location: Tampa Bay, FL. Posts: 346	CZ 2075 Rami or the Sig P938's are nice. __________________ CZ 75 P-01 . CZ-75B . CZ 912 . CZ 920 . Glock 26 Gen 3 . Kimber Pro Crimson Carry . XDm 45 3.8 Compact . Ruger 22/45 MKIII

July 15, 2013, 04:11 PM	#23
carguychris Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2007 Location: Richardson, TX Posts: 7,523	It seems like similar questions have come up several times in the last couple of weeks, so let me give a similar answer. If used guns are in the running, consider the S&W metal-frame centerfire line. These pistols have exposed hammers- usually bobbed on the compacts- and, on standard versions, a hammer-blocking slide-mounted decocker/safety. They were offered in 3 design generations, but factory compacts only came in the last two, and DAO models only in the last one. FWIW almost all standard-production examples that aren't DAO have mag disconnects. The 2nd-gen compact models were the 469 (blue or nickel finish, alloy frame) and 669 (stainless finish, alloy); both of these are double-stack 12+1rd capacity. The 3rd-gen model line was more complex. The double-stacks were the 6904 (improved 469), 6906 (improved 669), their DAO equivalents (6944 and 6946), and an uncommon frame-decocker stainless model (the 6926). There were also 8+1rd single-stack versions: the 3913 (stainless), 3914 (matte blue), 3953 (DAO 3913), and 3954 (DAO 3914), along with a pair of budget "Value Series" versions of the first two- the 908S and 908 respectively. Just to make things a wee bit more complicated, there was also an uncommon 3rd-gen subcompact called the CS-9 (for "Chief's Special 9"), which was essentially a 3913/3914 shorn of 1/2" of barrel length and 1 round of mag capacity (7+1rd). Got all that? There's a test later. __________________ "Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules... MARK IT ZERO!!" - Walter Sobchak

July 15, 2013, 08:01 PM	#24
jreXD9 Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 2009 Posts: 404	CZ 2075 Rami.....slightly smaller than a Glock 26, but a little heavier. I've had both and as far as accuracy goes, the 26 can't touch the Rami. I don't mind at all that it's heavier since I usually carry AIWB anyway. Now, if you want something just a little larger but a hair lighter, see that PCR above. I have one of those, too, and it's even more accurate than the Rami. 28 handguns in 4+ yrs and the best all 'round for me so far have easily been the CZ's. Plus, they're drop dead sexy...... __________________ Don't go ninjin' nobody don't need ninjin'.

July 15, 2013, 08:55 PM	#25
thinktwice Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 2007 Posts: 293	I would look at the Sig 239. I love mine and it's a real tack driver. However there are smaller 9mm's out there with a little more capacity in the magazine. I guess I have just gotten used to mine so I just carry an extra mag.