It can't happen here, you're so paranoid

USP45usp · October 12, 2005, 01:40 PM

Some "funny" (not haha) things are happening in Eugene/Springfield Oregon.

2 homeless people have been found in the river, dead. The women was beat to death before thrown from a bridge.

2 average aged white males were found in the river, about a couple of days apart from each other.

We had that love triangle murder.

Assaults are up.

It seems as if our small town may be 1, harboring a serial killer and 2, seems to be going to heck.

In such a small city, the 1 in 3 average hits close to home.

Wayne

Dave R · October 12, 2005, 01:49 PM

Excellent reminder that evil is not confined one any particular area.

Billy Sparks · October 13, 2005, 07:05 AM

Where are you getting your information? The reason I ask is if it is the media you might not be able to draw any conclusions. For years in my city black on black violence was just not reported. When a gang confrontation spilled over at one of the hospitals the community was shocked, shocked I tell you at the thought that there was violence in our fair city. To this day crime is very under reported unless it is multiple victims or it is in the more affulent sections of the city.

WhyteP38 · October 13, 2005, 10:00 AM

Andy Grove, of Intel, is famous for saying, "Only the paranoid survive." He was addressing the business environment, but his words have value elsewhere.

GUNSMOKE45441 · October 13, 2005, 10:21 AM

When I lived in Las Vegas, the scanner went constantly(6 Channels), but very little made the paper.
Can't scare the tourists you know

xXStarScreamXx · October 13, 2005, 11:03 AM

Sandbag your halls, get bullet resistant windows and enter your car while in the garage then open the garage. also have M1919s, m60s, or m243's in small bunkers arranged before a killzone. Assign each family member to a specific killzone and have them answer to a battlestations call. also consider placing a sniper on your roof, rotate shifts every three hours for maximum effectiveness. You may also want to get a panic room built into your house stocked with 3 months worth of food, water and porn.

dasmi · October 13, 2005, 11:06 AM

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Sandbag your halls, get bullet resistant windows and enter your car while in the garage then open the garage. also have M1919s, m60s, or m243's in small bunkers arranged before a killzone. Assign each family member to a specific killzone and have them answer to a battlestations call. also consider placing a sniper on your roof, rotate shifts every three hours for maximum effectiveness. You may also want to get a panic room built into your house stocked with 3 months worth of food, water and porn.

Hmm, not such a bad idea. Can I add beer to the panic room?

tinkanting · October 13, 2005, 11:19 AM

it not being paranoid, its being always prepared

StormTrooper · October 13, 2005, 07:14 PM

I can appreciate the humors expressed here but on a serious note and back to the initial post. The less room you lend for surprise the better off you will be. In my opinion we live constantly with two things to always be considered. The threat within and the threat consistently making its travels to be within. Don't ever take any location or situation for granted. Many small towns become target areas for crime because they have been sleepy for too long and have let thier guard down, because of this they have become even more vulnerable to attack of all kinds. That is where we come in as a group. When the SHTF it will be up to us to take the initial action of defense for ourselves and community, there is not time to call authorities and wait for the national guard to be dispatched because we have exhausted our primary military resources to over seas campaigns. We all as a group need to be ready. Other than that its great to have a forum for us to share common interests.

USP45usp · October 13, 2005, 10:02 PM

Been doing some digging:

The recruitment rate for gangs is going up in the area.

Since the governor put the kabost(sp) on medicines with that drug that they use to make meth, the Mexican crime lords are setting up superlabs with people running the cold medicine across state lines (a big one was busted in corvalis about a month ago).

I wouldn't be surprised if a serial killer had been bred in this area.

xXStarScreamXx,

I'm not saying that it's time to duct tape steel plates to my back so I can cover my parner from a person with a .308 or to invest in climbing slippers just yet. Just saying that our small city is starting to see and experience the problems of the larger cities and it's not a good feeling that it's doing so.

I was just observing that the area is becoming more dangerous and that it's not paranoid to observe these facts and maybe ensure that you are prepared for what may, or may not, happen.

Wayne

blackmind · October 13, 2005, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm Trooper

I can appreciate the humors expressed here but on a serious note and back to the initial post.

It's not humor. It's obnoxious sarcasm coupled with condescension. We see it here a lot from about three or four regulars.

They like to point out how nutty we gun owners are for trying to be prepared for things that may threaten our lives, and keeping our eyes open to potential dangers.

We're such wacky folk.

-blackmind

Bob41081 · October 13, 2005, 10:37 PM

What is an m243? Never heard of that one.

Bob

xXStarScreamXx · October 13, 2005, 11:12 PM

M249, sorry. Was up till 5AM doing homework.

243 WSSM on the brain.

USP, the thought of someone walking around with a 3/4 inch steel plate duct taped to their back is hilarious. I was also thinking about how your wife should make a bed spread of steel plates and leather so in case someone does get in your blanket can absorb the first few shot till you can reach the Mp10 on your bedside.

Blackmind, there is a line between vigilance and preparedness and paranoia. I applaud USP for seeing the changes and thinking about adopting reasonable measures to increase security (ie, more locks, dogs, alarm system, etc.) That's being a reasonable gun owner, being in a constant state of sheer paranoia looking for a reason to pop someone isn't. Last time we talked you said you'd blow someone away over 200 bucks in a 7-11 register.

But since I'm an anti gun activist for thinking people should be reasonable, whatever. I own guns, I support second amendment rights, however i also support logical thought Ie: not endangering a store full of people with a gunfight because you're itching to pop someone, not living in constant fear that my phone may go off right as I'm deep behind enemy lines snapping peoples necks in a grocery store because some kid is robbing the register, and not looking like a gun totoing maniac looking for someone to kill.

StormTrooper · October 13, 2005, 11:21 PM

Blackmind,

I understand...politeness seemd better against the antagonist than an equally charged rebuttal. We know what we are doing and why, and that really is all that matters here. I am always preparing and hope that I am doing so as well as I can for myself, family and country. If you were to ask me, I would tell you we need to get back to a truly constitutional state including reinstating the civil defense militias. Not the neo-supremist freak groups, but civilians at the ready to defend this country against all threats, domestic and foreign. Just within our nation there are fewer criminals than people wanting a peaceful existance, yet fewer LOE's to help ensure we have that peaceful existance. If more people shared our thoughts and actions we might just scare crime right out of most criminals by our greater presence.
I am not an extremist, but I do think of myself as a realist, then again I also feel no need to defend my beliefs either.

StormTrooper · October 13, 2005, 11:28 PM

Somehow i feel as though i did come off as an extremist with those statements, i did not intend too if so. It is hard to embelish on that subjsect in just a short paragraph though. There are many ideas to touch on when getting in that deep. The basic point here is you can never take your safety for granted.

tanksoldier · October 13, 2005, 11:52 PM

Forgot the rangecard, aiming stakes, and overhead cover. Every fighting position must have a rangecard and aiming stakes, and overhead cover if you have time.

PVT Starcream, you are a NO-GO at this station. Report to your drill sergeant for remedial training.

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Sandbag your halls, get bullet resistant windows and enter your car while in the garage then open the garage. also have M1919s, m60s, or m243's in small bunkers arranged before a killzone. Assign each family member to a specific killzone and have them answer to a battlestations call. also consider placing a sniper on your roof, rotate shifts every three hours for maximum effectiveness. You may also want to get a panic room built into your house stocked with 3 months worth of food, water and porn.

xXStarScreamXx · October 13, 2005, 11:55 PM

Damn, I always forget the range stakes.

**JohnKSa** · October 14, 2005, 12:03 AM

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the thought of someone walking around with a 3/4 inch steel plate duct taped to their back is hilarious

That's because it's a sideways reference to the "Mall Ninja" thread and is intended to be humorous.

Macgulf · October 14, 2005, 12:32 AM

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"Did you know that there is a TEXAS State Rifle Association?"

Thanks...interesting.

**JohnKSa** · October 14, 2005, 10:32 PM

It's one of the best state organizations in the nation--maybe THE best. They don't get the full credit, of course, but they were instrumental in helping the TX legislature to pass 9 separate pro-gun/pro-hunting laws this year alone.

Now THAT'S bang for the buck!

(Ok, sorry about the hi-jack, Wayne.)

USP45usp · October 14, 2005, 11:40 PM

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Ok, sorry about the hi-jack, Wayne

Actually, I don't mind at all. I've found that conversations may start with one issue and develop into other issues that are just as fascinating and informative at the same time.

IRL, when a conversation is started, it may go from one issue or the other but in some way, it's still connected to the original start of the conversation if one thinks about it. You set the root of an idea or a statement and it branches out to become more than what it started.

That is how I've learned, to learn. You plant a seed and then watch it grow. It may deviate from the original every now and then but you learn more in the process. When the branch extends far past what was original asked, said, or wondered, then you trim that portion and then go back to the root or a branch and pick up from there.

Wayne

PythonGuy · October 15, 2005, 12:05 PM

USP45usp, I think you are a very sincere, honest guy that would make a great neighbor. Although I am from NY and have a way different view of some things, I bet you'd make a great friend and shooting buddy. That is when my wife lets me go shooting. hahahaha

USP45usp · October 15, 2005, 12:25 PM

If I may, deviate abit from my original thread:

I want everyone to understand that when I am in disagreement with you, or others, it's not personal. If I do start to tread on that thin line between personal and non-personal, please PM me and I will re-read what I'd posted and make it right.

I will admit that there are some that I come close to going over that line, and have gone over that line in the past. Human nature to do so. I hold no dislike for the person, and when I do feel that emotion is posting, I do try to use my own advice of hitting the back button on my browser, or to just go ahead and shut down the computer.

That I'm not doing any good for myself or others. I do have a sarcastic personally though and I find that it sometimes shows itself. I do try to keep my replies somewhat intellectually honest but have found myself slipping up every now and then.

So if I may point out people by "name"; Sendec, Starscream, PythonGuy, Wild and a few others, you sometimes hit the right button but I will NEVER put you on ignore because from you, I learn a great deal. Especially about myself. And believe it or not, I actually like to read your posts as well as debate with you. If I find myself not being able to do so without great emotion (some emotion is in the posts but it should be kept to a minimum) then I know that it's time to use the back button until I can do so without attack of the person.

Wayne

*and I'm serious, if I have gone over that line with you, please PM. I respect you more for it than to let others handle it or to just let it go and then get upset. That is not my intent, my intent is to maybe plant a seed of thought into one's mind.

StormTrooper · October 15, 2005, 02:12 PM

After reading again some of the comments I have made in this thread, I realize I need to not only think before I act, but to also educate myself a little more before just spouting off about how I think America should work. I do think we should never take our own safety for granted, but I also started thinking about how many individual groups have used the same ideals and turned them into negative action. There are many variables to think consider. I think I have just gotten a bit overwhelmed with the worry of terrorist insurgence, a rising crime rate and what really put the icing on the cake was how many people reacted the situation from Hurricane Katrina, as well as Rita. Not just what I saw on the CNN, but my mother is a member of two seperate disaster response teams here in TX and was called out to aid victims of Katrina and some of the stories she had to tell when she got home were nothing less than dissapointing to humanity. Assault, rape and robbery right in the same walls of the emergency medical station she was at.
To top it off, those same actions made the local news here in Texas when those evacuees were transported to the shelters set up for them. One such incident was a local woman who volunteerd to help the Salvation Army inside of Reunion Arena and was molested by two men inside. This woman was only trying to give her time to those who needed it most, where she could have been home spending it with her own children. I guess I have just gotten to that point where I wish I could make a difference as a whole but still understand I can only do what I can for myself and family. I would love to hear the thoughts from others on the topic I tried to touch down on and see just how polluted my viewpoint really is.

PythonGuy · October 15, 2005, 02:44 PM

Deep down I think we all really feel the same about most issues, crime, natural disasters, terrorism, and when you add the fact we have loved ones to worry about, its very overwhelming. We do, however, share a common thread, an interest in guns and shooting. We believe in the right to keep and bear arms, it's one thing that has made America great and strong. At times we all let the day to day worries and frustration bubble over, and do it here in the forums as well as other places. One of my pet peeves is the irresponsible use of guns, so being hotheaded I speak out and cross the lines at times, being more personal then I should. I am trying though and like USP45usp said, when I hit that point I just stop writing and close the browser without posting.

October 12, 2005, 01:40 PM	#1
USP45usp Junior member Join Date: May 17, 2000 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 3,427	It can't happen here, you're so paranoid Some "funny" (not haha) things are happening in Eugene/Springfield Oregon. 2 homeless people have been found in the river, dead. The women was beat to death before thrown from a bridge. 2 average aged white males were found in the river, about a couple of days apart from each other. We had that love triangle murder. Assaults are up. It seems as if our small town may be 1, harboring a serial killer and 2, seems to be going to heck. In such a small city, the 1 in 3 average hits close to home. Wayne

October 12, 2005, 01:49 PM	#2
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: Idaho Posts: 6,073	Excellent reminder that evil is not confined one any particular area. __________________ I am Pro-Rights (on gun issues).

October 13, 2005, 11:03 AM	#6
xXStarScreamXx Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2005 Location: Nor*Cal 707 Posts: 353	Sandbag your halls, get bullet resistant windows and enter your car while in the garage then open the garage. also have M1919s, m60s, or m243's in small bunkers arranged before a killzone. Assign each family member to a specific killzone and have them answer to a battlestations call. also consider placing a sniper on your roof, rotate shifts every three hours for maximum effectiveness. You may also want to get a panic room built into your house stocked with 3 months worth of food, water and porn. __________________ I still don't see why cannibalism is a crime.

October 13, 2005, 11:12 PM	#13
xXStarScreamXx Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2005 Location: Nor*Cal 707 Posts: 353	M249, sorry. Was up till 5AM doing homework. 243 WSSM on the brain. USP, the thought of someone walking around with a 3/4 inch steel plate duct taped to their back is hilarious. I was also thinking about how your wife should make a bed spread of steel plates and leather so in case someone does get in your blanket can absorb the first few shot till you can reach the Mp10 on your bedside. Blackmind, there is a line between vigilance and preparedness and paranoia. I applaud USP for seeing the changes and thinking about adopting reasonable measures to increase security (ie, more locks, dogs, alarm system, etc.) That's being a reasonable gun owner, being in a constant state of sheer paranoia looking for a reason to pop someone isn't. Last time we talked you said you'd blow someone away over 200 bucks in a 7-11 register. But since I'm an anti gun activist for thinking people should be reasonable, whatever. I own guns, I support second amendment rights, however i also support logical thought Ie: not endangering a store full of people with a gunfight because you're itching to pop someone, not living in constant fear that my phone may go off right as I'm deep behind enemy lines snapping peoples necks in a grocery store because some kid is robbing the register, and not looking like a gun totoing maniac looking for someone to kill. __________________ I still don't see why cannibalism is a crime.

October 13, 2005, 11:55 PM	#17
xXStarScreamXx Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2005 Location: Nor*Cal 707 Posts: 353	Damn, I always forget the range stakes. __________________ I still don't see why cannibalism is a crime.

October 13, 2005, 07:05 AM	#3
Billy Sparks Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 1999 Location: Winston-Salem, NC 27105 Posts: 745	Where are you getting your information? The reason I ask is if it is the media you might not be able to draw any conclusions. For years in my city black on black violence was just not reported. When a gang confrontation spilled over at one of the hospitals the community was shocked, shocked I tell you at the thought that there was violence in our fair city. To this day crime is very under reported unless it is multiple victims or it is in the more affulent sections of the city.

October 13, 2005, 10:00 AM	#4
WhyteP38 Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2005 Location: Behind a keyboard. Posts: 1,565	Andy Grove, of Intel, is famous for saying, "Only the paranoid survive." He was addressing the business environment, but his words have value elsewhere.

October 13, 2005, 10:21 AM	#5
GUNSMOKE45441 Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2004 Posts: 129	When I lived in Las Vegas, the scanner went constantly(6 Channels), but very little made the paper. Can't scare the tourists you know

October 13, 2005, 11:19 AM	#8
tinkanting Member Join Date: April 17, 2005 Location: peoples republik of kalifornication Posts: 84	it not being paranoid, its being always prepared

October 13, 2005, 07:14 PM	#9
StormTrooper Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 110	I can appreciate the humors expressed here but on a serious note and back to the initial post. The less room you lend for surprise the better off you will be. In my opinion we live constantly with two things to always be considered. The threat within and the threat consistently making its travels to be within. Don't ever take any location or situation for granted. Many small towns become target areas for crime because they have been sleepy for too long and have let thier guard down, because of this they have become even more vulnerable to attack of all kinds. That is where we come in as a group. When the SHTF it will be up to us to take the initial action of defense for ourselves and community, there is not time to call authorities and wait for the national guard to be dispatched because we have exhausted our primary military resources to over seas campaigns. We all as a group need to be ready. Other than that its great to have a forum for us to share common interests.

October 13, 2005, 10:02 PM	#10
USP45usp Junior member Join Date: May 17, 2000 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 3,427	Been doing some digging: The recruitment rate for gangs is going up in the area. Since the governor put the kabost(sp) on medicines with that drug that they use to make meth, the Mexican crime lords are setting up superlabs with people running the cold medicine across state lines (a big one was busted in corvalis about a month ago). I wouldn't be surprised if a serial killer had been bred in this area. xXStarScreamXx, I'm not saying that it's time to duct tape steel plates to my back so I can cover my parner from a person with a .308 or to invest in climbing slippers just yet. Just saying that our small city is starting to see and experience the problems of the larger cities and it's not a good feeling that it's doing so. I was just observing that the area is becoming more dangerous and that it's not paranoid to observe these facts and maybe ensure that you are prepared for what may, or may not, happen. Wayne

October 13, 2005, 10:37 PM	#12
Bob41081 Member Join Date: June 4, 2004 Location: Houston,Tx Posts: 45	What is an m243? Never heard of that one. Bob

October 13, 2005, 11:21 PM	#14
StormTrooper Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 110	Blackmind, I understand...politeness seemd better against the antagonist than an equally charged rebuttal. We know what we are doing and why, and that really is all that matters here. I am always preparing and hope that I am doing so as well as I can for myself, family and country. If you were to ask me, I would tell you we need to get back to a truly constitutional state including reinstating the civil defense militias. Not the neo-supremist freak groups, but civilians at the ready to defend this country against all threats, domestic and foreign. Just within our nation there are fewer criminals than people wanting a peaceful existance, yet fewer LOE's to help ensure we have that peaceful existance. If more people shared our thoughts and actions we might just scare crime right out of most criminals by our greater presence. I am not an extremist, but I do think of myself as a realist, then again I also feel no need to defend my beliefs either.

October 13, 2005, 11:28 PM	#15
StormTrooper Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 110	Somehow i feel as though i did come off as an extremist with those statements, i did not intend too if so. It is hard to embelish on that subjsect in just a short paragraph though. There are many ideas to touch on when getting in that deep. The basic point here is you can never take your safety for granted.

October 14, 2005, 10:32 PM	#20
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,972	It's one of the best state organizations in the nation--maybe THE best. They don't get the full credit, of course, but they were instrumental in helping the TX legislature to pass 9 separate pro-gun/pro-hunting laws this year alone. Now THAT'S bang for the buck! (Ok, sorry about the hi-jack, Wayne.) __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

October 15, 2005, 12:05 PM	#22
PythonGuy Junior member Join Date: November 4, 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 456	USP45usp, I think you are a very sincere, honest guy that would make a great neighbor. Although I am from NY and have a way different view of some things, I bet you'd make a great friend and shooting buddy. That is when my wife lets me go shooting. hahahaha

October 15, 2005, 12:25 PM	#23
USP45usp Junior member Join Date: May 17, 2000 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 3,427	If I may, deviate abit from my original thread: I want everyone to understand that when I am in disagreement with you, or others, it's not personal. If I do start to tread on that thin line between personal and non-personal, please PM me and I will re-read what I'd posted and make it right. I will admit that there are some that I come close to going over that line, and have gone over that line in the past. Human nature to do so. I hold no dislike for the person, and when I do feel that emotion is posting, I do try to use my own advice of hitting the back button on my browser, or to just go ahead and shut down the computer. That I'm not doing any good for myself or others. I do have a sarcastic personally though and I find that it sometimes shows itself. I do try to keep my replies somewhat intellectually honest but have found myself slipping up every now and then. So if I may point out people by "name"; Sendec, Starscream, PythonGuy, Wild and a few others, you sometimes hit the right button but I will NEVER put you on ignore because from you, I learn a great deal. Especially about myself. And believe it or not, I actually like to read your posts as well as debate with you. If I find myself not being able to do so without great emotion (some emotion is in the posts but it should be kept to a minimum) then I know that it's time to use the back button until I can do so without attack of the person. Wayne *and I'm serious, if I have gone over that line with you, please PM. I respect you more for it than to let others handle it or to just let it go and then get upset. That is not my intent, my intent is to maybe plant a seed of thought into one's mind.

October 15, 2005, 02:12 PM	#24
StormTrooper Senior Member Join Date: October 7, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 110	After reading again some of the comments I have made in this thread, I realize I need to not only think before I act, but to also educate myself a little more before just spouting off about how I think America should work. I do think we should never take our own safety for granted, but I also started thinking about how many individual groups have used the same ideals and turned them into negative action. There are many variables to think consider. I think I have just gotten a bit overwhelmed with the worry of terrorist insurgence, a rising crime rate and what really put the icing on the cake was how many people reacted the situation from Hurricane Katrina, as well as Rita. Not just what I saw on the CNN, but my mother is a member of two seperate disaster response teams here in TX and was called out to aid victims of Katrina and some of the stories she had to tell when she got home were nothing less than dissapointing to humanity. Assault, rape and robbery right in the same walls of the emergency medical station she was at. To top it off, those same actions made the local news here in Texas when those evacuees were transported to the shelters set up for them. One such incident was a local woman who volunteerd to help the Salvation Army inside of Reunion Arena and was molested by two men inside. This woman was only trying to give her time to those who needed it most, where she could have been home spending it with her own children. I guess I have just gotten to that point where I wish I could make a difference as a whole but still understand I can only do what I can for myself and family. I would love to hear the thoughts from others on the topic I tried to touch down on and see just how polluted my viewpoint really is.

October 15, 2005, 02:44 PM	#25
PythonGuy Junior member Join Date: November 4, 2004 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 456	Deep down I think we all really feel the same about most issues, crime, natural disasters, terrorism, and when you add the fact we have loved ones to worry about, its very overwhelming. We do, however, share a common thread, an interest in guns and shooting. We believe in the right to keep and bear arms, it's one thing that has made America great and strong. At times we all let the day to day worries and frustration bubble over, and do it here in the forums as well as other places. One of my pet peeves is the irresponsible use of guns, so being hotheaded I speak out and cross the lines at times, being more personal then I should. I am trying though and like USP45usp said, when I hit that point I just stop writing and close the browser without posting.