Shooting Yourself As Political Protest

Bartholomew Roberts · September 13, 2018, 06:50 AM

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...mpression=true

A College of Southern Nevada sociology professor shot himself in the arm with a .22LR in the campus bathroom to protest Donald Trump. I’ve seen performance art taken to ridiculous levels in political protest before; but this is a new low.

I wonder how long beofre the professor’s stunt is used in a statistic to argue for more gun control? The forerunner of a new media strategy to convince people that dangerously mentally ill people are getting their hands on guns?

TXAZ · September 13, 2018, 07:53 AM

Well there were severally felonies listed that won’t get prosecuted.
I’d like to hear Glenn’s perspective on this one.

ocharry · September 13, 2018, 10:31 AM

Bart.....i would bet this never gets any traction because it is one of their minions

how about a strategy argument that we have DANGEROUS MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE TEACHING OUT YOUTH!!!!

this idiot missed,,,should have been waiting for the flash to go off,,,,,,but im sure it isnt his fault,,,,Trump made him do it

or how about the fact that he had a firearm on the campus???? im sure they have a gun free zone,,,,,so i wonder if he will be charged with anything like all the other nuts that have taken guns to school,,,,,im not a betting man but i would be on the side of NO HE WONT

ocharry

K_Mac · September 13, 2018, 10:54 AM

Heaven help us! I am a big believer in the right to protest most anything that tips your boat. I'm also good with peaceful civil disobedience to make your point. Committing several firearms felonies while putting others at risk crosses the line. A fatal self inflicted wound might have made his point better and ended the threat...

If I accidentally shoot self in the bathroom of a local school while using the toilet I am going to prison. We'll see what happens here.

FrankenMauser · September 13, 2018, 10:58 AM

That's another "school shooting" for Bloomberg's list.

**44 AMP** · September 13, 2018, 11:17 AM

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sociology professor shot himself in the arm with a .22LR in the campus bathroom to protest Donald Trump.

Maybe. That's what he told a bystander, but was it the truth??
Maybe it was a suicide attempt, and he just chickened out....

Then decided to claim it was in protest against Trump, so as to not look quite so bad...and to gain sympathy from other Trump haters...

Generally speaking, protests are done in public. Not in the bathroom.

Is he going to claim his act was an expression of free speech???

Which begs the question, do we have the right to injure (or even kill) ourselves as an expression of free speech, and thereby protected under the First Amendment???

Or, does it fall under the "pursuit of happiness" clause??

Either way, or neither, I guarantee you there are lots of people who work in law enforcement, medical, and mental health fields who believe they have a responsibility and an obligation to stop you or I from doing that.

Most people who deliberately injure themselves to make a point, are considered mentally ill.

Most people who do something as a protest against something do it so the public sees it. They do it to bring attention to their cause. They don't go hide in the men's bathroom and do it away from the eyes of the public.

Very thoughtful of him to leave a note and a $100 bill for the janitor, but rather thoughtless (and I suspect criminally negligent) to leave the (loaded?) handgun on the bathroom floor for kids to find it....

To me, claiming he shot himself (in the ARM!) as a political protest doesn't just smell, it reeks...

It's reported a preliminary hearing will be held on the 17th. I think the good Professor ought to be put away, as a danger to himself (and others), but we'll have to see what happens at the hearing...

BarryLee · September 13, 2018, 11:19 AM

I suppose the school is lucky he wasn't protesting fossil fuels.

Prof Young · September 13, 2018, 12:33 PM

Academic freedom and freedom of speech don't protect dangerous wrecklessness. If I was that person's academic dean or college pres they would have been fired.

Life is good.
Prof Young

Onward Allusion · September 13, 2018, 01:07 PM

I guess he didn't aim high enough.

**44 AMP** · September 13, 2018, 01:26 PM

Let's do our best to refrain from yielding to the admittedly strong temptation to make comments about his aim, etc., or this thread will go down the drain, rapidly.

As to using this incident as a statistic for more gun control, of course they will. It did happen, after all.

The Professor will have his (first) day in court, soon. We'll hear then, what, if anything he claims as his motivation for breaking multiple laws, and shooting himself.

FITASC · September 13, 2018, 01:26 PM

So what was he thinking this protest would accomplish?

zukiphile · September 13, 2018, 03:08 PM

Would Martin Fackler count this as a one shot stop?

Glenn E. Meyer · September 13, 2018, 06:07 PM

My perspective is that we don't have enough info. We do have folks killing themselves in political protests that also have suicidal and psychopathological causality, as in:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.3933598

I'd wait to see more investigations. Shooting yourself by accident is not unknown either.

FITASC · September 13, 2018, 06:11 PM

He SHOULD be charged with 3 felonies; so he SHOULD lose his job and spend many years staring out bars of the NV prison in Lovelock, NV

Glenn E. Meyer · September 13, 2018, 06:15 PM

If he was suicidal, then imprisoning him is stupid. Let's wait to see what investigation brings out.

So cursing him out because he said something about Trump isn't productive.

Would you curse out someone who did a suicidal protest against a politician you didn't like?

Close to close, friends.

Mainah · September 13, 2018, 06:42 PM

The decision about his academic tenure will be one heck of a faculty senate meeting. Arming teachers has some interesting consequences.

FITASC · September 13, 2018, 06:49 PM

If he was suicidal, why did he shoot himself in the arm and not the head? IMO, this was a publicity stunt, AND multiple felonies and he should get to feel the wrath of the NV prison system....

Glenn E. Meyer · September 13, 2018, 06:59 PM

So let's wait and see.

I'll close this until we get more info. If you see a legit analysis, PM me or another mod and we can reopen.

September 13, 2018, 06:50 AM	#1
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	Shooting Yourself As Political Protest https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...mpression=true A College of Southern Nevada sociology professor shot himself in the arm with a .22LR in the campus bathroom to protest Donald Trump. I’ve seen performance art taken to ridiculous levels in political protest before; but this is a new low. I wonder how long beofre the professor’s stunt is used in a statistic to argue for more gun control? The forerunner of a new media strategy to convince people that dangerously mentally ill people are getting their hands on guns?

September 13, 2018, 07:53 AM	#2
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	Well there were severally felonies listed that won’t get prosecuted. I’d like to hear Glenn’s perspective on this one. __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

September 13, 2018, 10:31 AM	#3
ocharry Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2006 Posts: 685	Bart.....i would bet this never gets any traction because it is one of their minions how about a strategy argument that we have DANGEROUS MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE TEACHING OUT YOUTH!!!! this idiot missed,,,should have been waiting for the flash to go off,,,,,,but im sure it isnt his fault,,,,Trump made him do it or how about the fact that he had a firearm on the campus???? im sure they have a gun free zone,,,,,so i wonder if he will be charged with anything like all the other nuts that have taken guns to school,,,,,im not a betting man but i would be on the side of NO HE WONT ocharry __________________ The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." - Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC

September 13, 2018, 10:54 AM	#4
K_Mac Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2010 Posts: 1,850	Heaven help us! I am a big believer in the right to protest most anything that tips your boat. I'm also good with peaceful civil disobedience to make your point. Committing several firearms felonies while putting others at risk crosses the line. A fatal self inflicted wound might have made his point better and ended the threat... If I accidentally shoot self in the bathroom of a local school while using the toilet I am going to prison. We'll see what happens here. __________________ "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Benjamin Franklin

September 13, 2018, 10:58 AM	#5
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,423	That's another "school shooting" for Bloomberg's list. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

September 13, 2018, 11:19 AM	#7
BarryLee Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2010 Location: The ATL (OTP) Posts: 3,946	I suppose the school is lucky he wasn't protesting fossil fuels. __________________ A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it ... gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

September 13, 2018, 12:33 PM	#8
Prof Young Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2007 Location: Illinois - down state Posts: 2,403	Should have been fired. Academic freedom and freedom of speech don't protect dangerous wrecklessness. If I was that person's academic dean or college pres they would have been fired. Life is good. Prof Young

September 13, 2018, 01:07 PM	#9
Onward Allusion Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Back in a Non-Free State Posts: 3,133	I guess he didn't aim high enough. __________________ Simple as ABC . . . Always Be Carrying

September 13, 2018, 01:26 PM	#10
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,803	Let's do our best to refrain from yielding to the admittedly strong temptation to make comments about his aim, etc., or this thread will go down the drain, rapidly. As to using this incident as a statistic for more gun control, of course they will. It did happen, after all. The Professor will have his (first) day in court, soon. We'll hear then, what, if anything he claims as his motivation for breaking multiple laws, and shooting himself. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

September 13, 2018, 01:26 PM	#11
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,440	So what was he thinking this protest would accomplish? __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

September 13, 2018, 03:08 PM	#12
zukiphile Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2005 Posts: 4,449	Would Martin Fackler count this as a one shot stop? __________________ http://www.npboards.com/index.php

September 13, 2018, 06:07 PM	#13
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	My perspective is that we don't have enough info. We do have folks killing themselves in political protests that also have suicidal and psychopathological causality, as in: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.3933598 I'd wait to see more investigations. Shooting yourself by accident is not unknown either. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

September 13, 2018, 06:11 PM	#14
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,440	He SHOULD be charged with 3 felonies; so he SHOULD lose his job and spend many years staring out bars of the NV prison in Lovelock, NV __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

September 13, 2018, 06:15 PM	#15
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	If he was suicidal, then imprisoning him is stupid. Let's wait to see what investigation brings out. So cursing him out because he said something about Trump isn't productive. Would you curse out someone who did a suicidal protest against a politician you didn't like? Close to close, friends. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

September 13, 2018, 06:42 PM	#16
Mainah Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2007 Posts: 1,119	The decision about his academic tenure will be one heck of a faculty senate meeting. Arming teachers has some interesting consequences.

September 13, 2018, 06:49 PM	#17
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,440	If he was suicidal, why did he shoot himself in the arm and not the head? IMO, this was a publicity stunt, AND multiple felonies and he should get to feel the wrath of the NV prison system.... __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

September 13, 2018, 06:59 PM	#18
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	So let's wait and see. I'll close this until we get more info. If you see a legit analysis, PM me or another mod and we can reopen. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

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