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October 12, 2008, 09:59 PM | #1 |
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Can rifles and shotguns be direct shipped to a home?
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I know that handguns need to go through a gun dealer but are the rules the same for shotguns and rifles? This is about buying shotguns and standard hunting rifles off of retailers on the internet. |
October 12, 2008, 10:17 PM | #2 |
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The answer to your question is no, they can't be shipped direct to your home. Any firearm purchased online by you must be sent to a FFL holder. You will have to provide the seller with a signed copy of a FFL in order for the seller to ship to that FFL. You then pick up from the FFL holder after completing a form 4473.
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October 13, 2008, 12:12 AM | #3 |
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ther are exceptions sodbuster.
1) If a private transaction occurs between residents of the same state, a direct shipment to the seller's home is OK. 2) If a person is shipping a weapon to themself in care of another person, it's OK even in another state as long as the package remains unopened and is stored securely. 3) If a person ships a weapon out to be repaired it can be shipped directly back to them by the FFL holder. 4)If a person has a C&R license they can recieve C&R guns. |
October 13, 2008, 06:47 AM | #4 |
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I thought there were exceptions, ISC, such as CMP which I didn't really consider retail. Do some of these depend on state law? I really don't know, but preferred to be safe instead of sorry.
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October 13, 2008, 07:41 AM | #5 |
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i sent a 686 to s&w 2 weeks later ups left it with my pal next door. ups picked it up at my house .
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October 13, 2008, 01:45 PM | #8 |
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some states like Kalifornia require EVERY sale/transfer to go through an FFL. I'm sure there are others too. The bastards.
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October 13, 2008, 03:56 PM | #9 |
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If you are buying and/or "transferring" a firearm between owners, including long guns, and it crosses a state line, it must go through at least one FFL. Depending on your state laws, you may be able to purchase a long gun in any state from an FFL in that state, while you are physically in that state, and bring it back home with you. Handguns must go through a FFL in your home state.
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You can send long guns or hand guns to any other resident of your state who is legally able to own same (Federal law). The caveat is: An unlicensed individual ( w/o an FFL ) cannot send hand guns though the US Mail, so must use a common carrier and dance to their tune when sending hand guns to other state residents. |
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5) If the rifle or shotgun is purchased in a face-to-face transaction at an out-of-state FFL's registered place of business, and the laws of the destination state do not require a transfer through an in-state FFL, the out-of-state FFL can ship it directly to your home address. (Note to future readers: this does not apply to handguns.) 6) The CMP, as a federal entity, is exempt from the law and can ship directly to you. However, state registration and/or licensing laws still apply. 7) There is no federal law against shipping a gun to yourself. State laws may apply, however. Quote:
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Thot I'd seen black powder muzzle-loader guns offered for direct sale in a couple of catalogs I get ... was I dreaming? Still need an FFL involved?
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There's nothing in there saying whether the states are contiguous or not. "Meet the licensee in person at the licensee's premises" is the legal definition of a face-to-face sale. Is there some other regulation I don't know about?
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October 14, 2008, 04:13 PM | #18 |
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One more exception CMP
CMP will mail a rifle to your home. Up to twelve a year once you qualify.
Ammo and accesories also. |
October 14, 2008, 07:46 PM | #19 |
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MD FFL Rifle Transfer
Hey all, I apologize for asking this question.
I was under the impression that from a private rifle sale, the seller may ship the rifle across state lines in to the buyer's state, so long as the rifle goes to a FFL. I checked the BATFE FAQ and it had implied that. Furthermore, the seller told me the same. However today, when I went to pick up my rifle (M1A NM), the FFL started hootin' and hollerin' about how there was no FFL enclosed in the package and that I had, 'violated about 37 federal laws.' The man's wife even shot me a dirty look. I went ahead and called the BATFE to clarify, and they stated that rifles may go to from a non licensee to a FFL, no problem. However the agent who picked up my call said to call Baltimore BATFE just to be safe.... Anyone know what the rule is on this? I wasted an hour today and the shopowner is somewhat antagonizing (I'm not going back there--ever). I want to be able to bring a strong case on how his interpretation of the FFL laws (Must have an FFL on both ends, shipping & receiving) is wrong, and only applies to pistols. Is my interpretation correct? (FFL needed only on recieving end for a rifle) Any help will be appreciated! |
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Not being a wiseass, but why would you aplologize for asking this question? This is TFL. 'Seems like a perfectly good question.
I believe you are correct, but we shall wait for a more positive answer. |
October 15, 2008, 07:35 AM | #21 |
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Okay, go here to an ongoing thread. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314757.
I am merging this one with it. |
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However some FFL holders mistakenly believe that by only accepting firearms from other FFL holders, they are "safe" from transferring a stolen or otw "questionable" firearm (this is not so - there are no laws stating that FFL holders run checks on guns they receive). These FFL holders will tell you "it's the law", when it's really just their method of doing things. You have broken no Federal laws. |
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http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b1
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Some states have NOT updated there laws however. You have to obey both, so the more restrictive law will govern. |
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