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Old June 16, 2012, 05:36 PM   #1
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Load Data

Ok, so I got the bullet seating and crimp issue solved, (thanks to this forum), now I see a pretty big discrepancy in the starting load of the two manuals I have.

Bullet: Rainier 230g Leadsafe
Powders I have: Power Pistol & Bullseye
Manuals: Lymann 49th and Lee's Modern Reloading Second Edition

According to the Rainier Website there is no need for adjustment when using lead bullet load data.

So, looking a the Lee manual under 230g Lead Bullet neither powder I have is listed. So under 230g jacketed Bullets the starting load for Power Pistol is 7.1 and Bullseye is 5.0.

In the Lee manual under 230g TMJ Power Pistol is 6.4 and Bullseye is 3.8.

That seems like a huge difference. Alliant Powder website has something entirely different but using Speer TJM RN bullets.


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Old June 16, 2012, 09:37 PM   #2
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You will use more powder for jacketed bullets then you will for plated or plain lead bullets. The Over All Length (OAL) also changes the pressure. If you are loading a shorter OAL you will need to reduce the amount of powder. Check the listed OAL and you probably will find it is different between the listings. You can also check on line with the powder manufacture's website to get loading information. Some companies tend to list mild loads to keep people from making big mistakes and over charging trying to get the max out of some load.

I don't like to load on the hot side. So I stay away from max loads. I will just change powder to get the results I want.

Are you wanting factory type loads, soft shooting loads, accurate loads or what?

It helps to know what you are trying to achieve.
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Old June 16, 2012, 09:56 PM   #3
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You can try this site for possible information.

http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/de...Powder&Source=

I don't use Bullseye or pistol powder for .45 loads. I prefer WST.
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Old June 17, 2012, 12:15 AM   #4
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Hornady 7th Edition says...

230 grain Lead Bullet, MAX = 5.7 Bullseye (900 fps), 4.5 Bullseye (750 fps)
230 grain FMJ, MAX = 7.6 Power Pistol (900 fps)

I have the Lee book, but generally use it to cross reference other data. If I can find two reliable sources that are consistant, like Hornady 7th and the Speer website, then I'll go with the more conservative of the two. In this case, I'd probably go with 5.0 grains of Bullseye or 6.8 grains of Power Pistol.

If you don't have a chronograph, yet, then you can see why it's not a bad investment...
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Old June 17, 2012, 06:47 AM   #5
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The Lee Manual has an OAL of 1.200 for a 2309g Jacketed Bullet and the Lyman has an OAL of 1.275 for a 230g TMJ.

Mississippi Dave, I'm just starting out and only have 100 rounds of 9mm under my belt so far. Just trying to develop a routine using the starting powder charge in the manual.
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Old June 17, 2012, 07:11 AM   #6
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First throw the LEE book out, right in the trash

You can use the Speer data, as their bullet is plated.
Just start low and work upward juntil you reach your desired performance level.

And regardless, try a start load of 4.0g Bullseye (and a start of 6.0g Power Pistol).
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Old June 17, 2012, 07:37 AM   #7
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The bullet is a Rainier Leadsafe 230g.
This is from the Rainier Ballistics Website:

"if you only have access to traditionally jacketed load data, we recommend a starting powder charge directly between the listed minimum and maximum load."

So using the Lyman load data for a 230g TMJ the starting load is 3.8 and the max is 5.3 of Bullseye, then the middle would be 4.55.

I think that's where I will start.
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Old June 17, 2012, 08:03 AM   #8
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Take a look here and I would start at the bottom and work up.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloade...35&bulletid=65

I loaded 5x more yesterday than you've done. LOL

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Old June 17, 2012, 08:15 AM   #9
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5x more in a day than I've done total...that's not right! LOL!!!
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Old June 28, 2012, 03:16 PM   #10
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Reloaded .45 ACP

Tried out my first reloaded 45 ACP, using Rainier Leadsafe 230g RN, 4.5g Bullseye. All 40 fired with no problems, no misfeeds or anything. However, I did notice both my forearms were covered with small black specks of something. Also found the specks on my notebook. I didn't notice these when firing the gun last time using factory ammo.
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Old June 28, 2012, 08:30 PM   #11
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you may find as you work up some of that will go away. In my HO Bullseye can be a bit dirty. When you get to it you might try red dot or 231. Red dot will meter close to Bullseye but 231 will meter much better and might be a cleaner burning powder.

Glad they all worked you must have done something right. Take your time and go slow. Lots of folks here to help with all kind of ideas.
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Old June 28, 2012, 10:52 PM   #12
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+1 on the 231/HP-38 meters better and slightly cleaner
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