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March 15, 2013, 04:51 PM | #26 |
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Mr. Wright makes a good point that I hadn't remembered. Not only do the LRN bullets tend to make subcaliber holes (they push the tissue aside rather than tearing or cutting through it) they are also more likely to be deflected from their aimed course if they hit a relatively sturdy structure in the body. Semi-wadcutter/wadcutter bullets are less likely to be deflected and tend to cut full caliber holes through the target medium. Lead Hollowpoints make larger than caliber holes and are also less likely to be deflected than LRN bullets.
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For SD I either use a LSWCHP 158 +P round such as Remington or Buffalo Bore. A second choice would be Buffalo Bores 150 gr hard cast wadcutters. I like these better than the newer hollow points for a 38 special revolver.
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well as error prone as they may be in real life scenarios. you have to admit they are what the guns were designed for sightwise.
butyes,lrn can create an inferior wound on an aggressive opponent. BUT its better then mace, pepper spray, tear gas, stun guns and tasers are. |
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if you can find ammunition that is. if you load your own your slightly better off, but some of us have to use whats on the shef. if all the shelf has is round nose, its what you have to use. dont forget enough people have been killed with lrn to prove its better then a fist fight
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If it's all you can get then by all means use it.
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well ive seen the online police reports of guys hopped up on meth or crack needing multiple hits from shotgun slugs to drop
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However, I have to say that the possibility of failure shouldn't encourage people to use projectiles that are known to be inferior for self-defense when other options are available. If LRN is all you can get, then use it. If you can get anything else, practically anything else will perform better.
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March 18, 2013, 08:52 AM | #36 |
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salvador, how easy it it to get powder or primers?
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Do not confuse lethality with incapacitation. Many more people that were shot died from the ensuing infection than the effects of the bullet. Penicillin was not truly discovered until 1928 and not mass produced until 1945.
I don't know about you, but if I must shoot in self defense I do not look forward to the infection being a determining cause of incapacitation. This subject has been discussed before ad-nausium.
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Newton, not so bad in my area. Popular ammo is tougher, ,22lr, 9mm, 223 show up but don't last more than an hour or two. I try to stay stocked up, so I have lotsa powder and primers, 40lbs+ mayber 17,000 primers, 100s of lbs of wheel weights ...brass, bullets etc. When things settle down I'll replace what I'm using up now.
Having a stock of components has saved me a lot of headaches this time and 4 years ago too. |
April 11, 2013, 08:26 PM | #39 |
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The 38 LRN is not the best choice for self defense. That being said, I sure would not want to be shot with one (or with a 22 for that matter) A 12 gauge shot gun is a great defense weapon.
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The use of recreational drugs has been the main reason why the RNL is out of favor though I was told over 40 years ago-by a police chief-that if the first two don't stop the threat you keep pulling the trigger-"We're not carrying derringers!".
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April 11, 2013, 08:51 PM | #41 |
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The round profile does help with speed loaders, but that's the only advantage that comes to mind. Comes in handy when competing at the range.
If it were legal I'd pop a turkey with one so as to not damage as much meat, but around here it's only leagal to blow their heads off with a 12ga. I do think lead bullets are great for SD, but as mentioned before a SWC will make a better hole. |
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Once when 5 men accosted him in a barn he killed all five with them two guns (and no reloading.) Of course he was a dead shot and had some real steady hands. Deaf
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This thread reminds me of the 'Nyclad' bullets, which are dead-soft lead hollowpoints coated with nylon to prevent leading. Mas Ayoob has recommended them highly for snubbies. I've had a hard time finding them for a while, though.
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You have to ask what is "self defense". I know that the situations that I have had here in my house/garden/neighborhood, a round nose 22LR would not just make a difference for the better, but the required difference.
If I were in an actual gun fight, I might just want something else (probably a fast handling rifle). Sometimes self defense is a matter of changing someones mind/attitude. A lead round nose in 38/three-fifty-etc is more than the candidate IMHO. Have you ever noticed that in conflict of any kind, the one who intimidates most wins? It's the aggressors overbearing presence that gets them the advantage. Not what a bullet is made of. That is why hijackers were able to fly planes into skyscrapers... because they intimidated and terrified people. The folks who lost and died did not get cut with a box cutter. And I mean that most respectfully. It's all in the mind. But carry what you feel confident with. There are times that having even a Leatherman have given me the confidence to walk right in to the shadow of the valley. -SS- |
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I'm curious where the guy referred to by the OP got the idea that RNL bullets "mushroom reliably". In 40+ years of being a hand gunner I don't think I've ever heard of a RNL bullet "mushrooming" on a flesh and blood target.
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Shot placement is important but how many of us are real "Deadeyes" under stress and have Charlie Askins' coolness under fire.
Regarding Wild Bill Hickock's feats, I recall a Phil Spangenberger article where he noted that people in general wore more clothes back then, hence penetration was considered more important-and they hadn't heard of the Thompson-Lagarde tests. Cruder medical care, no 911 to call. Also I wonder if we haven't gotten too fixed on the "Struck by Lightning" notion and the Instant Stop Shot. Also how many modern day RNL bullets are pure lead as opposed to an alloy? Last edited by SIGSHR; April 12, 2013 at 09:39 PM. |
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I carry Buffalo Bore 158gr SWCHP, both +P and non-+P, which are all lead, and Speer Gold Dot 125gr +P JHPs, which are copper jacketed lead, in my 38s.
I would not carry a round-nosed bullet in a revolver, lead or jacketed, unless I had no other option. I have no doubt that they are effective in many cases. But I have other choices that I consider better. I am fervently hoping I never find out whether I made a good choice. |
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I have noticed that round-nose bullets do not catch on the cylinder, are quicker on the re-load when using speed loaders as do/are semi-wadcutters. |
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I gave up trying to use the WCs out of a speed loader, it's a real fumble fest, SWCs are a little better. I still like RN in my speed loaders, I'm thinking a loaded revolver is better than not.
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