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February 17, 2018, 01:30 PM | #76 | ||
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If the lump is a weapon, we might get some insight into how enticing the prospect of stealing someone's weapon will be by examining the rate at which open carriers have their weapons stolen off their person. I haven't any stats on it, but pistols being taken by force from mall cops, armoured car staff and LEOs for later sale doesn't seem to an occurrence I can recall. I'm sure it has happened. If someone wanted $100, there seem to be easier and safer ways to get it that to confront an armed person. Almost any other transaction seems safer. People do steal police cars, but that is generally when there isn't a PO in it. Quote:
A rational actor looking for value won't restrict the scope of his search to firearms being carried. Parked cars have historically been low hanging fruit. Unoccupied homes offer a lot of opportunity. The rational avoidance of lethal risk may explain the frequency of sales scams. If you can get value from people with a lie rather than a physical confrontation you may lose, why risk the confrontation? It's a potentially career ending variable.
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zukiphile: I did a quick google and couldn't find stats on gun thefts from concealed carriers, or police. There are of course lots of articles on gun theft and it seems that many of the gun stolen are taken from cars.
Before I go on I should say I don't think we will find many rational actors among the criminals that are will to confront possible armed citizens. Mainly because it is easier and safer to earn one hundred dollars working ~10 hours at a fast food restaurant. But even if we were to look for stats, our first road block would be the gun owners. According to this article gun thefts from private individuals are under reported. https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...-guns-america/ Quote:
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Rational actor analysis will run into limits. The fellow who beats to death the man he finds in bed with his wife is unlikely to be dissuaded by making homocide illegal, but for most transactions we can at least imagine why people pursue ends we want to prohibit and state appropriate disincentives. Quote:
I've little doubt that theft of many kinds aren't reported at 100% of their rate of occurrence. However that isn't an obstacle to opining reasonably on the social effects of concealed carry of arms in the general population. Quote:
When we are examining personal carry, that seems an important difference.
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I worked as a Doorman (Bouncer) in Liverpool for 5 years. Four of them at the Cavern, of Beatles fame, from 1960 till 1964, and a year at the Blue Angel, a nightclub on Seal St.
Was stabbed twice at the Cavern (The Club was full of young girls!) was in lots of fights, we would start most of them, you tend to win the ones you do not wait to get hit before you get involved. Lived in Toronto Canada for 32 years. Got involved with one fight (if you could call it that) a Large Irish man, wanted to dance with my Girlfriend, a very lovely Trinidadian. It was noisy, loud music. The second time he approached our table, he had a bottle of beer in his right hand. So I could hear him better, I presume, he leaned his weight on the bottle, on the table and leaned over starting to speak. I cupped the bottle, and pulled it towards me, he fell forward, my sharp quick headbutt (Liverpool kiss) sat him down on the floor. Two of the bouncers, dragged him off, down the stairs. Came back to tell me he had caused trouble in there before. I have a very good looking Wife, who some well dressed young man, who had just stepped into the elevator, in which only my Wife and I were the sole occupants of, stated he wanted a hug? She was at the buttons, I was standing back. He was in front of me, holding a Martini Glass, with a wee umbrella in it, half full. Or half empty? Not sure if anyone here has seen the result of a glass in the face? I was born in a pub, I have. When he lifted his foot, the left one, to go a hugging, I stepped under his left arm, and drove him into the wooden bar, on the back wall of the elevator. When he opened his eyes, they were scrunched uptight! I informed him to keep away from my Wife. Must have hurt. We left. I was carrying a Glock 19, and a Benchmade folder. Never thought of weapons, not required. We were attending a Firearms forum. This was in Sept. 2004, Dayton Ohio. Have not hit anyone since moving to Florida, in 13 years, carry a gun every day, have not shot anyone either, but there are many unsavoury people out there, I must say I have only met pleasant and polite ones in those 13 years. Having the means of self-defence is a good thing. Having the skill to use it, that's good as well. |
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