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March 9, 2012, 01:17 AM | #26 |
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Let's ask ourselves this:
When is a fist fight not "just" a fist fight anymore? - because beatings stop after the opponent falls unconscious, right? - because surely he/she would stop choking you after you stop moving, right? - because if it started with fists, it'll stay with fists right? When it comes to "fist fights" and "beatings" I'm convinced there is an assumption made by many. To their credit that's because most posters here are headed towards being more responsible, not less. I may be an extremist here but I feel too many things could go "wrong" in a fist fight to dismiss them as low risk/non-fatal as they are often stated as being on forums. It may be similar to how we have to remember our ideal "gun battle" will probably not happen the nice and neat way we'd like. No one imagines gouged eyes or crushed tracheas (especially not after we've fallen unconscious - that's barbaric!). We expect to always wake up after we've lost consciousness. But something tells me that if the story is true that the attacker did not have a clear idea of boundaries or he did but willfully charged across them. He already ditched the norms. Would he stop punching if he'd managed to "teach the guy a lesson? How long was the lesson going to be?" If he'd successfully knocked the defender unconscious with his very first blow would his anger be so quickly satiated? How else could he vent his anger? (wife and kids?) We can't know if a "street fight" is fatal- neither before nor during the fight. Only in retrospect - which also encourages the thought of "see? no one died". And even afterwards there's the risk of death hours later from head trauma, then infections of skin/bone/dental work. And as for evil (see previous posts) it depends on what you believe to determine the definition. Do you live by "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else I can do whatever?" Biblical perspective says we've all done evil and would hold starting a fist fight or firefight due to road rage both sins. Quite possibly a "how dare you" attitude too. I'll throw in a perspective on this evil person discussion too (sorry mods, don't know if off topic): I don't think people are inherently evil. We commit evil thoughts and actions though. It's like a chemical addiction. Sometimes we want to quit, sometimes we are happily (sadly) addicted, the more you partake the higher the frequency (I'm thinking anger and tantrums here), you can choose to share it with others or intervene, and you can bet it affects all parts of our life. |
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I'm all ears as to how your "sure" he stopped fighting, other than going unconscious. I can think of a couple of nearly universal ways to "say uncle" or tap out... Granted this wasn't a fair fight, but I still believe that the survivor intentions were much more innocent than the aggressor's. |
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March 9, 2012, 09:57 AM | #29 |
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If the information that's coming out about this incident is true, then the guy who died got what he was asking for. The fact of the matter is that there are men out there who use their size advantage to intimidate people smaller than them. They get used to it, they get off on it. They're arrogant, but sometimes the stars are in the right alignment and they get their just reward.
This reminds me of something that happened about 10 years ago when I was living in Seattle. There was a college athlete, probably intoxicated, who was walking down a city street kicking people as hard as he could in the rear. Just random people that he did not even know. He ripped open a car door (I don't know why) and the fellow sitting in the car, not knowing what the hell was going on, used his legally carried handgun and shot the kid, who eventually died. The shooting was ruled justified. |
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It helps that I live in Texas where we do not have to be assaulted first. And if we are assaulted first, nobody can guarantee that they won't take my guns from be and use them on me. I would try to walk away from a confrontation regardless, but if someone thinks they going to get a free bite, there are no free bites. |
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March 9, 2012, 03:53 PM | #34 |
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agways be armed when you can, avoid any and all conflicts when possible even when its a guy 5'0" and 195#s. a little guy with a gun and you with nothing can still make a bad day for you. and dont think you can call 911 and the cops will be there in 30 seconds and fix all your problems! More like 45 minutes here and take care of whats already happened. Most of all use your head and be calm but defend yourself, family, friends and others. Call 911 asap but do anything and everything you need to do to take care of the situation.
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What Welton did or did not deserve out of life changed markedly when he violent attacked Darling, beating him to the ground, and continuing to press on the assault. He could have stopped at any time from before making the first threat, throwing the first punch, but he didn't. A sampling of the internet, lots of people engaged in criminal acts and threatening or using force and/or lethal force to attempt to cause serious bodily harm or death all have believers that say that the deceased didn't deserve to die. Committing criminal acts involving such violence and the threat of violence and lethal force is a very high risk endeavor. Those engaging in those activities may not 'deserve' to die for them as you suggest, but voluntarily give up what they deserve when they commit their violent acts. Quote:
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March 9, 2012, 11:08 PM | #36 |
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It seems that headlocks are all the rage of late, though I am not sure they are necessarily the right tool for all situations...
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/...dlock-20100910 Here, the robber also died and no charges were filed... http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...138978054.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-stood-by.html Check out the guy in the wheelchair doing a headlock takedown and then other samaritans uses it as well... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71VCOWw-Zvg
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March 9, 2012, 11:29 PM | #37 |
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Seems to me a bully was shown the door. Yes, it's too bad the door was to the hereafter, but he made that choice, not the other guy. I might have done the same thing just trying to get the guy to quit. I seriously doubt he meant to kill him. Not so sure, OTOH, the decedent wasn't going for at least great bodily harm.
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