What happens when a state limits the rounds to 10

[Aguila Blanca]

Originally Posted by Brian48

I've heard from several LOEs in my state. This law is not enforceable. Unless the mag specifically says "For Law Enforcement purposes only" (Glock used to do that), there is really no way to tell whether the mag was manufactured before or after the original ban.

The proposed Connecticut law solves that problem (from the LEO point of view). There is no "grandfathered if manufactured before" date. ALL magazines with capacity greater than 10 rounds will be illegal. Period.

[Spats McGee]

I agree with Aguila Blanca on this one. The fact that there's no grandfathering clause, or limit as to manufacture or acquisition of the magazine in question, makes it fairly simple to enforce.

1) More than 90 days has passed since the effective date of the law.
2) Defendant is in possession of a magazine.
3) Said magazine holds more than 10 rounds.
4) Defendant does not fit into 1 of the 4 listed exceptions.
5) Therefore, Defendant is a felon.

[Viper99]

This is the latest from the NRA

The Joint Committee on Judiciary held a hearing on Senate Bill 1094 and Senate Bill 1210 on March 23, and has until April 15 to take action on these bills. SB 1094 would ban firearm magazines that accept more than ten rounds of ammunition, while SB 1210 is a self-defense reform bill. Please continue to contact members of this committee and urge them to support SB 1210 and oppose SB 1094.

Lets hope for the best.

[NJgunowner]

I think your screwed. In NJ we've had a magazine limit for ages, and the NRA hasn't done crap to fight that one.

[Viper99]

Just yesterday I received a big 9" by 12" envelope from the NRA that said right on the envelope, my name, followed by "What every gun owner should know" in big red lettering.

Thanks NRA for telling all my neighbors that I have weapons. Some times you think that common sense should prevail.

Inside it had petitions to our local politicians that we have to fill out and mail. I will absolutely do that but why put that message outside the envelope?

[NJgunowner]

Come on man! If they didn't put it in big freaking letters you might chuck it as junk mail or not pay enough attention!

[Viper99]

Nah, I never throw anything out from the NRA without reading it. It contains petitions addressed to different politicians that has to be fill out and mailed. I am doing that this morning and then giving some money to the NRA for their defense fund.

[Bartholomew Roberts]

We know what happens when you limit the magazine to ten rounds. We already tried this. What happens is:

1. People buy pistols in bigger calibers (10mm, .45) since they can't have bigger magazines

OR

2. People buy very small compact pistols in the smaller calibers.

I wonder if the Glock 26 would have even been made if it wasn't for the 1994 ban? However, it is worth pointing this out to people who support magazine bans since both are pretty well documented - even by the antis themselves (see VPC's Pocket Rockets scarefest)

[Viper99]

To the moderators:

Thanks for moving this thread. It was on the wrong forum. Will be more selective next time.

Regards

[shurshot]

When the Clinton ban went into effect in the 90's, the trend was to move back, back to 1911 style, big bore, and slim, single stack clips in the smaller calibers. Of course, revolvers are another option, and a good one at that.

[jasonleevandyke]

My advice to you is this: move. One of the reasons I left Michigan to go live in Texas was because of their gun laws.

My second bit of advice for you is to upgrade. Purchase a weapon designed to hold fewer rounds. After the Clinton magazine ban, 45 caliber weapons became far more popular. I suspect that will be the case in your state. One concept I like is the Guncrafter Industries 50 GI modification for the Glock 20 and Glock 21. That would be my answer to a ban of this nature. I would say: "Ok, because you have limited the number of rounds I can carry, I am going to purchase a firearm that shoots something larger and with more destructive potential than what I have now."

[LinuxHack3r]

I guess the biggest thing that I am missing here is how a state determines what constitutes a felony?

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[Spats McGee]

Originally Posted by LinuxHack3r

I guess the biggest thing that I am missing here is how a state determines what constitutes a felony?

By enacting legislation declaring it to be such. If the legislature enacts a law that says, "XYZ is a felony," it's a felony.

Now, how the legislature determines that something should be a felony, that's a totally different question.

Does that answer your question?

[LinuxHack3r]

Well, no. I have always understood that a felony was federal law. How can a state determine federal law? I guess perhaps the actual issue here is that a felony does not actually equal violation of a federal law!

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[Spats McGee]

No, felony does not mean "violation of federal law." For many years, I thought the same thing. Felony vs. Misdemeanor is simply a measure of the severity of the crime and punishment. For example, murder is a felony. It's also typically prosecuted as a violation of state law. The dividing line is 1 year. If it's punishable by 1 year or more of incarceration, it's a felony. If the maximum penalty is less than 1 year of incarceration, it's a misdemeanor.

[lawnboy]

That's why I always carry a single stack gun

Just kidding. I do carry a single stack gun, but only because I like it and it's easy to conceal.

Also, I think the constant tweaking of gun laws in seemingly minor areas like magazine capacity is simply to get the uninformed or uncaring voter used to accepting gun restrictions. Then someday they can ban them all.

Does anyone think the local anti-gun crowd is any happier to see someone carrying a P225 or a 1911 than if they were to carry a Glock 17 or a Glock 21? I don't. But I think they take what they can get in the hopes they'll eventually get what they want.

[Old Grump]

Carry (6) Colt 1911A1's with 8 round magazines and one chambered. That is 9 rounds per gun and 54 rounds total. Boogerman with 32 rounds of 9MM doesn't stand a chance even if you don't hit him. With all those bullets flying past his head the breeze will give him pneumonia.

Problem with moving out of state is the bad guys win. Somebody has to stay home, stand up and be counted. Somebody has to fight for what is right. We have the same problem here in Wisconsin where concealed carry is against the law and open carry people are continually reported, harassed and sometimes arrested by ignorant law enforcement officers who make up the law as they go along because they don't know the law. Some know the law but don't care, they hope if they hassle legal carriers often enough it will discourage them. Never give up the fight, never.

[Aguila Blanca]

I saw it reported somewhere that the proposed CT law did not make it out of committee. The deadline for reporting it out was April 15, and it didn't make the cut.

One article I read said there were more than 200 people who showed up AT THE HEARING to testify against it. Good job, Connecticut Yankees.

[mnero]

It is one of those foolish 'feel good' measures, taken by short sighted men. Would my .22 lever action henry be considered a high capacity weapon? it can hold up to 21 .22 shorts

[Spats McGee]

Yes, it's silly legislation, but it specifically exempted .22 caliber tube feeding devices.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Felony is not a federal definition. As far as the NRA envelope - I got one to - but the neighbors probably know I have a gun by watching me put the rifle case and gun bag in the car on weekends and t - shirts that say GSSF or Range Office, etc.