H&r Question

rbeach44 · September 14, 2008, 10:07 PM

I own a .32 H&R breaktop...good shape, however the trigger will not return after each shot fired;I must manually move the trigger forward each time. Aside from this annoying problem it works fine.

My question, what causes this trigger issue and can it be fixed?

James K · September 15, 2008, 03:18 PM

The trigger return spring is broken or missing. And the gun is worth very little. Now you have a problem.

There are replacement springs available from Wolff (www.gunsprings.com) but they are generic and will almost always require fitting. But working on those old guns is such a bear and eats up so much time that gunsmiths usually won't work on them because not many people will pay several times what a gun is worth to fix it.

If you can do it yourself, you can probably fix that old timer. If not, I suggest hanging it on the wall and buying a modern gun for shooting.

Jim

rbeach44 · September 17, 2008, 03:35 PM

HANG THE GUN ON THE WALL????? THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. JUST BECAUSE IT'S OLD DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOW IT DISRESPECT, THAT WOULD BE LIKE HANGING MY GRANDMOTHER ON THE WALL......

Seriously, I'll find a way to make it work...safely. And thank you for the link and comment. I had posted this same question on another forum and the trigger spring problem seems to be the concensus.

Thanks again.

w_houle · September 17, 2008, 04:26 PM

:P That's just funny right there...
I have an H&R top break that does the same thing if I don't let off the trigger quickly enough. Try that and see if it helps

Hawg · September 17, 2008, 04:43 PM

Might be just gunked up. If the spring is broken and you're good with your hands you might could make a spring for another purpose work in it.

w_houle · September 17, 2008, 04:59 PM

Oh yeah, when you take it apart; don't forget the spring on the ratcet hand has an ear on it that you will fiddle with to get on the forward side to ride in a channel, otherwise you will end up breaking it. I ended up having to make another one out of a steel banding strap.

James K · September 17, 2008, 09:51 PM

Well, it should not be necessary to make a spring, though it might be necessary to fit one. In addition to Wolff, Gun Parts has springs for most H&R models (www.gunpartscorp.com).

Jim

woad_yurt · September 18, 2008, 12:18 PM

They aren't too difficult to fix and the springs are available new from Wolff. You'll probably have to file/grind it to make it shorter or narrower. Google Bill Goforth and ask him where you can get a schematic. He's the source of sources for old H&Rs and Iver Johnsons. I think Numrich has exploded diagrams right online. The part(s) plus s/h will cost less than $10.00. Fix it; I have one and they're cool guns. I even use it for carry occasionally.

TEDDY · September 21, 2008, 07:53 PM

those springs are a pain as they are music wire.the originals were V springs.I have an Iver Johnson target and tried a gun parts.thepart on trigger had burrs and jammed in.so you have to deburr as well as fit.

James K · September 21, 2008, 09:07 PM

Some of Gun Parts' repro springs are wire, but Wolff springs are leaf springs. The problem with Wolff is that there is a minimum order (I think 5 or 10) springs, so the buyer may end up with more than he needs. On the other hand, since fitting can go wrong, maybe having a quantity might help. IIRC, they also have assortments.

Jim

Tom2 · September 23, 2008, 05:00 PM

I think mine is all pinned together. Isn't that sort of a pin in the ass to work on those because of that? Not like a gun assembled with screws. I guess that is how they helped keep costs down.

September 14, 2008, 10:07 PM	#1
rbeach44 Junior Member Join Date: August 11, 2008 Location: MORGANTOWN,WV Posts: 9	H&r Question I own a .32 H&R breaktop...good shape, however the trigger will not return after each shot fired;I must manually move the trigger forward each time. Aside from this annoying problem it works fine. My question, what causes this trigger issue and can it be fixed?

September 17, 2008, 04:26 PM	#4
w_houle Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,391	:P That's just funny right there... I have an H&R top break that does the same thing if I don't let off the trigger quickly enough. Try that and see if it helps __________________ How could you have a slogan like "freedom is slavery" when the concept of freedom has been abolished?

September 17, 2008, 04:59 PM	#6
w_houle Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,391	Oh yeah, when you take it apart; don't forget the spring on the ratcet hand has an ear on it that you will fiddle with to get on the forward side to ride in a channel, otherwise you will end up breaking it. I ended up having to make another one out of a steel banding strap. __________________ How could you have a slogan like "freedom is slavery" when the concept of freedom has been abolished?

September 18, 2008, 12:18 PM	#8
woad_yurt Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2008 Posts: 1,206	They aren't too difficult to fix and the springs are available new from Wolff. You'll probably have to file/grind it to make it shorter or narrower. Google Bill Goforth and ask him where you can get a schematic. He's the source of sources for old H&Rs and Iver Johnsons. I think Numrich has exploded diagrams right online. The part(s) plus s/h will cost less than $10.00. Fix it; I have one and they're cool guns. I even use it for carry occasionally. __________________ A Makarov? Simple, easy and works perfectly every time. ¡Vale!

September 21, 2008, 07:53 PM	#9
TEDDY Junior member Join Date: December 10, 2006 Location: MANNING SC Posts: 837	spring those springs are a pain as they are music wire.the originals were V springs.I have an Iver Johnson target and tried a gun parts.thepart on trigger had burrs and jammed in.so you have to deburr as well as fit.

September 15, 2008, 03:18 PM	#2
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The trigger return spring is broken or missing. And the gun is worth very little. Now you have a problem. There are replacement springs available from Wolff (www.gunsprings.com) but they are generic and will almost always require fitting. But working on those old guns is such a bear and eats up so much time that gunsmiths usually won't work on them because not many people will pay several times what a gun is worth to fix it. If you can do it yourself, you can probably fix that old timer. If not, I suggest hanging it on the wall and buying a modern gun for shooting. Jim

September 17, 2008, 03:35 PM	#3
rbeach44 Junior Member Join Date: August 11, 2008 Location: MORGANTOWN,WV Posts: 9	HANG THE GUN ON THE WALL????? THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. JUST BECAUSE IT'S OLD DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOW IT DISRESPECT, THAT WOULD BE LIKE HANGING MY GRANDMOTHER ON THE WALL...... Seriously, I'll find a way to make it work...safely. And thank you for the link and comment. I had posted this same question on another forum and the trigger spring problem seems to be the concensus. Thanks again.

September 17, 2008, 04:43 PM	#5
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,190	Might be just gunked up. If the spring is broken and you're good with your hands you might could make a spring for another purpose work in it.

September 17, 2008, 09:51 PM	#7
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Well, it should not be necessary to make a spring, though it might be necessary to fit one. In addition to Wolff, Gun Parts has springs for most H&R models (www.gunpartscorp.com). Jim

September 21, 2008, 09:07 PM	#10
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Some of Gun Parts' repro springs are wire, but Wolff springs are leaf springs. The problem with Wolff is that there is a minimum order (I think 5 or 10) springs, so the buyer may end up with more than he needs. On the other hand, since fitting can go wrong, maybe having a quantity might help. IIRC, they also have assortments. Jim

September 23, 2008, 05:00 PM	#11
Tom2 Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,676	I think mine is all pinned together. Isn't that sort of a pin in the ass to work on those because of that? Not like a gun assembled with screws. I guess that is how they helped keep costs down. __________________ Your gun is like your nose, it is just wrong for someone else to pick it for you!