Colt M1917 Question part 2

naidirem · October 20, 2005, 12:51 PM

Thanks for any and all responses to my question yesterday. Last night I took a good look at the revolver and noticed a couple of things.

1. There appear to be 'half-moon' clips mounted on the cylinder face with something, possibly screws. At least, there are two circles in each clip and what appears to be a flat-head groove on each one. I tried to remove the clips with finger force but was unsuccessful.

2. The revolver accepts .45 LC easily and they are seated flush against the 'half-moon clips' attached to the cylinder face but not against the cylinder face itself. The push rod does not easily eject the casings and the revolver must be oriented so gravity does the work.

The previous owners were skilled machinists and had lathes and all other manner of metal working equipment in the home. They also tinkered with everything. I hope they did not permanently affect/modify the revolver.

Jim Watson · October 20, 2005, 02:59 PM

By your description, your hopes are not realized, the gun is heavily modified.

By your own account, it sounds like they screwed half moon clips to the rear face of the cylinder to headspace .45 Colt.

They would have had to have reamed the chambers for the longer cartridge unless it is one of the earliest Colt 1917s with bored through chambers. The reamer would have cut some off the clips to bring their notches to the radius of the cartridge body instead of the size of the extractor groove of the ACP.

The reason it does not extract properly is because the .45 Colt has a very narrow rim. In its original home, the Single Action Army, the rim ony served to headspace the cartridge against the firing pin strike. Extraction was by side rod.

The 1909 Army cartridge is the same as the .45 Colt except for a wider rim for use in the double action simultaneous extraction New Service revolver. The gun the 1917 was based on. You are not going to find any of that ammo, it was official issue for only three years, 1909 to 1911.

The gun is probably safe, .45 Colt is loaded to lower pressure than .45ACP, but it is not original and I don't know what it would cost to find and have fitted an ACP cylinder. Probably a lot. It would likely shoot clipped ACPs if you took off the attached and modified clips but accuracy might suffer in the longer chambers. Or not.

I would consider it a novelty to be shot on "ceremonial occasions" and move on with the knowledge gained.

James K · October 25, 2005, 03:45 PM

In my previous reply, I mentioned the possibility of a cylinder replacement, but didn't think of an alteration like that. I guess we live and learn.

Jim

October 20, 2005, 12:51 PM	#1
naidirem Junior Member Join Date: October 19, 2005 Location: Illimois Posts: 3	Colt M1917 Question part 2 Thanks for any and all responses to my question yesterday. Last night I took a good look at the revolver and noticed a couple of things. 1. There appear to be 'half-moon' clips mounted on the cylinder face with something, possibly screws. At least, there are two circles in each clip and what appears to be a flat-head groove on each one. I tried to remove the clips with finger force but was unsuccessful. 2. The revolver accepts .45 LC easily and they are seated flush against the 'half-moon clips' attached to the cylinder face but not against the cylinder face itself. The push rod does not easily eject the casings and the revolver must be oriented so gravity does the work. The previous owners were skilled machinists and had lathes and all other manner of metal working equipment in the home. They also tinkered with everything. I hope they did not permanently affect/modify the revolver.

October 20, 2005, 02:59 PM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,542	By your description, your hopes are not realized, the gun is heavily modified. By your own account, it sounds like they screwed half moon clips to the rear face of the cylinder to headspace .45 Colt. They would have had to have reamed the chambers for the longer cartridge unless it is one of the earliest Colt 1917s with bored through chambers. The reamer would have cut some off the clips to bring their notches to the radius of the cartridge body instead of the size of the extractor groove of the ACP. The reason it does not extract properly is because the .45 Colt has a very narrow rim. In its original home, the Single Action Army, the rim ony served to headspace the cartridge against the firing pin strike. Extraction was by side rod. The 1909 Army cartridge is the same as the .45 Colt except for a wider rim for use in the double action simultaneous extraction New Service revolver. The gun the 1917 was based on. You are not going to find any of that ammo, it was official issue for only three years, 1909 to 1911. The gun is probably safe, .45 Colt is loaded to lower pressure than .45ACP, but it is not original and I don't know what it would cost to find and have fitted an ACP cylinder. Probably a lot. It would likely shoot clipped ACPs if you took off the attached and modified clips but accuracy might suffer in the longer chambers. Or not. I would consider it a novelty to be shot on "ceremonial occasions" and move on with the knowledge gained.

October 25, 2005, 03:45 PM	#3
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	In my previous reply, I mentioned the possibility of a cylinder replacement, but didn't think of an alteration like that. I guess we live and learn. Jim