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Old June 2, 2017, 10:55 AM   #76
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They've only been granting cert to one case a week so far. That has to change this month, I expect the pace to pick up considerably starting Monday. Only 4 more days to issue orders!
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Old June 2, 2017, 01:22 PM   #77
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SCOTUS receives 7,000-8,000 petitions each term. SCOTUS grants cert in about 80 cases per term: That's about one percent.

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Old June 5, 2017, 09:24 AM   #78
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Once again no action on Peruta today. We'll have to wait at least another week.
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Old June 5, 2017, 02:50 PM   #79
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In this mornings live blog, I thought it was rather humorous when Amy (I believe it was her doing the live blog) answered a question about nothing about Peruta: "Yeah. Keeping us on pins and needles."

I'm beginning to wonder if they are going to hold it over for the October 2017 session.
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Old June 5, 2017, 03:28 PM   #80
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It could be they are looking for a 5th vote.
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Old June 5, 2017, 07:29 PM   #81
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It could be they are looking for a 5th vote.
I often hear guys say something like this . Not picking on you rwilson . How accurate are statements like that for any given case . Are they waiting for a 5th vote for cert or a likely 5th vote to over turn .

I have to assume or at least want to believe none of the judges know how they will vote until they've actually heard the case ? How ever I keep hearing people seeming to say they wont take a case unless they have the votes . How do they know if they have the votes if none of them have heard the arguments ??
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Old June 5, 2017, 09:21 PM   #82
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They probably lack a fourth vote to grant cert.
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Old June 7, 2017, 12:43 AM   #83
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The answer, Metal God, is that the petition for cert, the opposition and the reply pretty much set out not just the issue but the essential arguments that will be made and the authority relied upon. the actual briefing simply expands and expounds upon those themes, and allows others a chance to chime in with their own opinions and research-i.e., to add the scholarship that will eventually inform the opinion. Thus, by the time the petition is actually considered by the court, the various justices have a pretty good idea how they feel about the particular subject in issue.
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Old June 8, 2017, 09:55 AM   #84
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The justices already have their world views on gun rights. 4 oppose them in principle. They do not exist.

One strongly supports them (Thomas). The others are wishy-washy when it comes to actually changing current laws to expand carry, limit state bans and the like. They were OK with theoretical blather like Heller and McD for gun rights, but when it comes to now getting more guns and more types of guns out there in use by knocking down state regs - they are not there at all. Gorsuch, even he is an advocate as strong as Scalia - which is unknown, does not change this balance.

As far as briefs and opinions - I have said before that they all have a world view on guns, they then mine past decisions, opinions, etc. to support their position. They do not have views changed by new 'scholarship' or reasoning. They tell their clerks to write for what they know they want to do.

The idea that SCOTUS will void state bans and mandate all states become shall issue is a pipe dream with the current court and probably for the reasonable future courts.

It's all 'reasonable restrictions'. The peasants can have shotgun and a revolver at home at best for some of them. For the others, not even that.
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Old June 8, 2017, 10:15 AM   #85
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As far as briefs and opinions - I have said before that they all have a world view on guns, they then mine past decisions, opinions, etc. to support their position. They do not have views changed by new 'scholarship' or reasoning. They tell their clerks to write for what they know they want to do.
That is pretty piss poor behavior for a judge.
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Old June 8, 2017, 10:30 AM   #86
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That is pretty piss poor behavior for a judge.
More like a politician with a robe.

And I was under the (mistaken) understanding that well reasoned thought went into their opinions. It turns out it is just the third (political) arm of our system of our government.

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Old June 12, 2017, 10:20 AM   #87
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SCOTUS booted it again:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/Search....les/16-894.htm
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Old June 16, 2017, 06:39 AM   #88
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Today is the 16th, did they make a decision yesterday or kick down the road again?
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Old June 16, 2017, 08:51 AM   #89
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Monday is the next day to issue orders.
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Old June 18, 2017, 02:30 PM   #90
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For those of you that have not followed this case (or would like to refresh their memories) in full, our friends at Michel & Associates have a web page that has every important document in the Peruta case. From the District court to the Supreme Court.

Peruta v. San Diego | Michel & Associates, P.C.
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Old June 18, 2017, 04:05 PM   #91
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THANK YOU. Very informative.
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Old June 19, 2017, 08:33 AM   #92
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No new grants today. Neither was Peruta denied, so it looks like we wait another week.
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Old June 20, 2017, 11:59 PM   #93
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This coming week is kind of a big deal. since there is only one session left, the Court will either grant or deny, or be forced to kick it over to next term. If it goes over, and if one of the justices retires (there are two for whom there is a distinct possibility), the possibility of a grant increases if Trump is able to confirm another pro-2A justice. So until next week....
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