Accuracy of SKS with or without bayonet?

stubbicatt · June 6, 2013, 10:07 AM

Anybody ever take the time to compare accuracy of an SKS with its bayonet folded up, to the SKS with the bayonet removed from the bayonet lug, and the cleaning rod removed?

Thanks.

Nephilim-777 · June 6, 2013, 02:58 PM

No, but wouldn't expect any difference unlike my experience with the Mosin Nagant's.

Slamfire · June 6, 2013, 03:07 PM

It is about 6 MOA either way with Chinese ball ammunition.

Bart B. · June 6, 2013, 07:54 PM

M1's have a few MOA difference with/without their bayonet attached, so I think any service rifle would do the same. The weight on the muzzle changes the resonant frequency and harmonics of the barreled action which make the bullets leave at a different angle than without it.

Jack O'Conner · June 7, 2013, 03:29 PM

The Russian designed SKS carbine is a battle rifle. Do not expect better than 3 inch grouping at 100 yards with the best American made ammo. Commie brands such as WOLF shoot 4 inch groups as a norm.

Jack

tahunua001 · June 7, 2013, 06:51 PM

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It is about 6 MOA either way with Chinese ball ammunition.

closer to three in my experience with the bayonet down. I don't know when I shoot for accuracy I shoot off sandbags(lots of them) and people might start lookin funny if they saw a guy behind a pile of sandbags with his bayonet fixed.

okiewita40 · June 9, 2013, 03:17 AM

My SKS was hit by bubba before I got it. So the entire bayo lug was ground off of it. With silver bear ammo i am keeping between 2-3 moa.

stubbicatt · June 12, 2013, 08:53 PM

Thanks guys. Funny thing is I don't recollect ever shooting my present SKS on paper. It is always at other reactive sorts of targets at longer (200 to 300 yard) ranges, sometimes really close at clay pigeons.

Sure is a lot of fun. I wondered.

Some time ago I read a story about a guy who took the entire sleeve with front sight, bayonet, etc., off his SKS. He glass bedded it into a plastic stock of some sort, and installed a very solid scope base, and was getting surprisingly good accuracy from his. I wish I could find that story. When he finished up he had no iron sights at all, but a decent little rifle.

As far as Russian ammo not being entirely accurate, I watched a kid shoot "Hot Shot" brand ammo a few years back out of a WASR10, and he held right at 2 MOA, even to about 400 yards. So I ran some over my chronograph. I no longer remember the velocities, but I do remember that 3 of the 5 shots posted the exact same velocities.

Alabama Shooter · June 12, 2013, 09:04 PM

We have one that shoots in the 2 MOA range came without the bayonet. The rest are all 4-6. One of those is also sans bayonet. Figure that is pretty good for length of pipe and some sheet metal stapled to some plywood.

Keg · June 13, 2013, 03:21 AM

I have a Chinese made paratrooper model....I bought it at Ammo Depot in Big D..back in the early 90's....It was new in the box for $125....The standard model was $99....Anyway it came without a bayonet....I took it out and shot a couple magazines full at 100 yrds....It surprised me how well it shot..definitely not 4-6 moa.....Anyway have'nt taken it back out since.....

stubbicatt · June 15, 2013, 04:25 PM

Ha Keg! I bought my Russian SKS from Mickey at Ammo Depot. Lord, that had to be what, 1992 maybe? He used to let folks shoot at some river bottom land.

Brings back memories.

Boomer58cal · June 15, 2013, 07:16 PM

I'll have to test this when I get a chance. My scoped sks(1956 type 56) gets 1.5-2 moa with wolf/hurders/tula ammo. I don't think it'll get any better without hand loads witch I'm about to try. I'll report back what I find.

Boomer

Mobuck · June 18, 2013, 09:25 AM

The accuracy of the SKS that I have improved significantly when the poky thing and it's atrocious mounting tabs were removed. I would have taken off the entire front sight base but didn't want to heat it that much.

Magnum Wheel Man · June 18, 2013, 09:39 AM

Well... call me bubba

mine has been accurized, & I can really shoot 1 MOA, or just a little under, if I do my part... & that's with spam can ammo, & 1st & 10th hit to the same point of aim...

20 round fixed box, was not 100% reliable, so I went back to the factory fixed 10 rounder & stripper clips... note rear sight is removed, a set of Tech Sights is added... barrel shortened & recrowned, bayonet lug & welded sling loop removed new stock, fully "bedded" etc.

Boomer58cal · June 18, 2013, 01:33 PM

3 to 4 inch groups are common with open sights. If you can find a low milage gun like my type 56 and scope it, you'll do better. Mine shoots 1.5 to 2 moa with chreap ammo and about 0.5 moa of that is vertical sting from inconsistant ammo. I'd bet my up and coming hand loads will get me right close to 1 moa.

I'll try testing with and without the bayonet when I test my hand loads.

Boomer

FireForged · June 18, 2013, 08:41 PM

The whole bayo or no bayo to effect accuracy is just way over intellectualized.

June 6, 2013, 10:07 AM	#1
stubbicatt Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2007 Posts: 1,707	Accuracy of SKS with or without bayonet? Anybody ever take the time to compare accuracy of an SKS with its bayonet folded up, to the SKS with the bayonet removed from the bayonet lug, and the cleaning rod removed? Thanks.

June 6, 2013, 02:58 PM	#2
Nephilim-777 Member Join Date: October 10, 2006 Location: A nation in distress Posts: 79	No, but wouldn't expect any difference unlike my experience with the Mosin Nagant's. __________________ "Only tyrannical governments fear an armed populace for safety/security reasons." -Armed Citizen

June 6, 2013, 03:07 PM	#3
Slamfire Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2007 Posts: 5,261	It is about 6 MOA either way with Chinese ball ammunition. __________________ If I'm not shooting, I'm reloading.

June 7, 2013, 03:29 PM	#5
Jack O'Conner Senior Member Join Date: July 11, 2005 Location: Manatee County, Florida Posts: 1,976	The Russian designed SKS carbine is a battle rifle. Do not expect better than 3 inch grouping at 100 yards with the best American made ammo. Commie brands such as WOLF shoot 4 inch groups as a norm. Jack __________________ Fire up the grill! Deer hunting IS NOT catch and release.

June 9, 2013, 03:17 AM	#7
okiewita40 Senior Member Join Date: June 11, 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 409	My SKS was hit by bubba before I got it. So the entire bayo lug was ground off of it. With silver bear ammo i am keeping between 2-3 moa. __________________ What on god's green earth do you think your doing?

June 6, 2013, 07:54 PM	#4
Bart B. Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2009 Posts: 8,927	M1's have a few MOA difference with/without their bayonet attached, so I think any service rifle would do the same. The weight on the muzzle changes the resonant frequency and harmonics of the barreled action which make the bullets leave at a different angle than without it.

June 12, 2013, 08:53 PM	#8
stubbicatt Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2007 Posts: 1,707	Thanks guys. Funny thing is I don't recollect ever shooting my present SKS on paper. It is always at other reactive sorts of targets at longer (200 to 300 yard) ranges, sometimes really close at clay pigeons. Sure is a lot of fun. I wondered. Some time ago I read a story about a guy who took the entire sleeve with front sight, bayonet, etc., off his SKS. He glass bedded it into a plastic stock of some sort, and installed a very solid scope base, and was getting surprisingly good accuracy from his. I wish I could find that story. When he finished up he had no iron sights at all, but a decent little rifle. As far as Russian ammo not being entirely accurate, I watched a kid shoot "Hot Shot" brand ammo a few years back out of a WASR10, and he held right at 2 MOA, even to about 400 yards. So I ran some over my chronograph. I no longer remember the velocities, but I do remember that 3 of the 5 shots posted the exact same velocities.

June 12, 2013, 09:04 PM	#9
Alabama Shooter Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2012 Location: Sweet Home Posts: 886	We have one that shoots in the 2 MOA range came without the bayonet. The rest are all 4-6. One of those is also sans bayonet. Figure that is pretty good for length of pipe and some sheet metal stapled to some plywood. __________________ Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday.

June 13, 2013, 03:21 AM	#10
Keg Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2011 Location: Freestone County, Texas Posts: 1,133	I have a Chinese made paratrooper model....I bought it at Ammo Depot in Big D..back in the early 90's....It was new in the box for $125....The standard model was $99....Anyway it came without a bayonet....I took it out and shot a couple magazines full at 100 yrds....It surprised me how well it shot..definitely not 4-6 moa.....Anyway have'nt taken it back out since..... __________________ Hog Hunters never die........They just reload.........

June 15, 2013, 04:25 PM	#11
stubbicatt Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2007 Posts: 1,707	Ha Keg! I bought my Russian SKS from Mickey at Ammo Depot. Lord, that had to be what, 1992 maybe? He used to let folks shoot at some river bottom land. Brings back memories.

June 15, 2013, 07:16 PM	#12
Boomer58cal Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2013 Location: closer than you think Posts: 967	I'll have to test this when I get a chance. My scoped sks(1956 type 56) gets 1.5-2 moa with wolf/hurders/tula ammo. I don't think it'll get any better without hand loads witch I'm about to try. I'll report back what I find. Boomer __________________ The number one cause of death in the 20th century. 290,000,000 citizens were first disarmed and then murdered by their own governments. This number does not include those killed in war. We're from the government, we're here to help

June 18, 2013, 09:25 AM	#13
Mobuck Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2010 Posts: 6,846	The accuracy of the SKS that I have improved significantly when the poky thing and it's atrocious mounting tabs were removed. I would have taken off the entire front sight base but didn't want to heat it that much.

June 18, 2013, 09:39 AM	#14
Magnum Wheel Man Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2006 Location: Southern Minnesota Posts: 9,333	Well... call me bubba mine has been accurized, & I can really shoot 1 MOA, or just a little under, if I do my part... & that's with spam can ammo, & 1st & 10th hit to the same point of aim... 20 round fixed box, was not 100% reliable, so I went back to the factory fixed 10 rounder & stripper clips... note rear sight is removed, a set of Tech Sights is added... barrel shortened & recrowned, bayonet lug & welded sling loop removed new stock, fully "bedded" etc. __________________ In life you either make dust or eat dust...

June 18, 2013, 01:33 PM	#15
Boomer58cal Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2013 Location: closer than you think Posts: 967	3 to 4 inch groups are common with open sights. If you can find a low milage gun like my type 56 and scope it, you'll do better. Mine shoots 1.5 to 2 moa with chreap ammo and about 0.5 moa of that is vertical sting from inconsistant ammo. I'd bet my up and coming hand loads will get me right close to 1 moa. I'll try testing with and without the bayonet when I test my hand loads. Boomer __________________ The number one cause of death in the 20th century. 290,000,000 citizens were first disarmed and then murdered by their own governments. This number does not include those killed in war. We're from the government, we're here to help

June 18, 2013, 08:41 PM	#16
FireForged Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 1999 Location: Rebel South USA Posts: 2,074	The whole bayo or no bayo to effect accuracy is just way over intellectualized. __________________ Life is a web woven by necessity and chance...