300 PRC is it?

Cheapshooter · December 12, 2018, 09:03 PM

Is this new "wonder 30" really anything markedly better than a 300 Winchester, or 300 Weatherby. Especially for a non-reloader who buys his ammo off the shelf.
Just wondering after a friend was telling me he wants to get a Remington Custom Shop 700 in this caliber because it is so much better than anything else out there.

reynolds357 · December 12, 2018, 09:35 PM

Yes, it fills a niche. It is designed for heavy, long match bullets. It is beltless, fat, and fast,

std7mag · December 13, 2018, 05:28 AM

These new cartridges that are coming out can be taken with a grain of salt.
Companies have learned about not hyping up their cartridges in advertising.

It does not have a belt, but neither do the 300 Blaser Mag, 300 Norma Mag, 300 Rum, 300 Dakota, 300 WSM, 300 RSAUM, 300 RCM.

All are fat, fast and fill a niche.

disseminator · December 13, 2018, 10:31 PM

Stick with the 300wm or the WSM, those are the ones that will last. The others will be gone like summer.

reynolds357 · December 13, 2018, 11:19 PM

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These new cartridges that are coming out can be taken with a grain of salt.
Companies have learned about not hyping up their cartridges in advertising.

Yeah, the 300 PRC will soon fizzle out just like the 6.5 creedmoor did.

Tallest · December 14, 2018, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by reynolds357

Yeah, the 300 PRC will soon fizzle out just like the 6.5 creedmoor did.

I’m thinking there’s a bit of sarcasm there...

The Creedmoor really has taken off, even those of us who aren’t impressed have to admit that. I’d even be curious to see what percentage of rifles sold this year had 6.5CM chambering. Also, it looks like the 6mm Creedmoor could do likewise... maybe.

But it doesn’t follow that the 6.5 PRC and the 300 PRC have to follow by default because Hornady launched them as well. While a LOT of new chamberings are niche fillers, some niches are bigger than others.

Nathan · December 14, 2018, 09:24 AM

I think the 6.5 Creedmor is here to stay like the 300 WSM.

The PRC chamberings are cool, but they have not really answered the why question for me...Will this precision rifle fad stay, or pass, especially long range? Are they better at something else?

The real issue today and moving forward it we are learn how to get more out of a cartridge design through new bullet materials and new bullet designs. Trouble is, if I make a new 308 with a drastically different throat and all I. A gun that handles 80000 psi, how do I keep people from putting it in a 50000 psi gun?

These kinds of issues like 300 bo in a 5.56 nato or hot 30’06 in an M1.

Or do we have to make the 80000 psi guns with a new 0.490 case head? Today, cartridge designers are doing this.

Think about the 6.5x55. It is an amazing hunting round easily capable of a 140gr 6.5 bullet at 2800 FPS. Many of the guns can handle that well. 2 things hurt this. One, some guy with a Swedish Mauser May drop that round in it. Two, nobody will make a medium action length for it. So, we have 264 win mag, 260 rem, 6.5x284, ....

ernie8 · December 14, 2018, 09:32 AM

The new 6.5 CM delivers the same performance as the 6.5x55mm that has been around for over 120 years .

Tallest · December 14, 2018, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ernie8

The new 6.5 CM delivers the same performance as the 6.5x55mm that has been around for over 120 years .

We all know this... but it does it in a shorter case/action and handles longer VLD bullets at higher pressures (and marginally higher speeds). This is what the 300 PRC is attempting in the .308 cal.

But the 6.5CM was doing something others .260/6.5mm rounds hadn't. It established that size of a bullet as a viable long range precision bullet, and it did so in a case length that was functional in the AR-10. The .308 bullet has been established in that field for a while, and there are plenty rifles already in existence built to use it there.

std7mag · December 15, 2018, 10:55 AM

Again, boils down to advertising.

If it were marketed better we would all be shooting 6.5XC. ( 6XC necked up)
Created by David Tubb.

RC20 · December 15, 2018, 03:38 PM

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eah, the 300 PRC will soon fizzle out just like the 6.5 creedmoor did.

The 300 PRC fills an odd niche in that as a larger bullet, it will cut a wider hole and win a match sometimes. That is its only reason for being.

6.5 CM is not gone yet, latest fad is 6mm - but the 6.5s have been around a long time in various (longer) cartridges and always was a good caliber, just not appreciate in the 30 caliber happy US.

The natural evolution of course is the 454 PRC. then a 500 and maybe back to the 75 calliber musket days.

Maybe a single shot 20mm wins in the end!

ndking1126 · December 19, 2018, 04:52 PM

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Yeah, the 300 PRC will soon fizzle out just like the 6.5 creedmoor did.

6.5C's popularity is still growing, and with good reason. With SOCOM going to 6.5C, it's officially a military cartridge now. If nothing else, as long as SOCOM uses it, I'm willing to guess it remain a popular cartridge.

I think the 300PRC probably won't stick around, I'll agree with that.

PALongbow · January 11, 2019, 01:47 PM

I'll let you know in a few months.... I have a Hart custom rifle on order in 300 PRC. The military adopted it so it should be around for a while.

Ron

RC20 · January 11, 2019, 04:07 PM

Well the road to the poor house is paved with Niche calibers.

Animals could care less, if its a 6.5, 6.6.. 6.7, 270, AK47, 06, etc etc if the bullet is right for the game. No niche

Targets only care (well the shooter) if it is better than other things.

6.5 was the rage 6 is not, 30 PRC is, and ............

12 Gauge slug gun that shoots the lights out at 300 yards is next?

I like my calibers, I don't claim they are anything more than appeal to me.

They don't jump taller buildings or leap oceans or any of that.

1stmar · January 11, 2019, 05:56 PM

PAlongbow lets us know how you make out. Hart does some great stuff, im sure it will be a shooter.

taylorce1 · January 11, 2019, 10:02 PM

.300 PRC is simply the .375 Ruger necked down to .308, and I'm surprised it has taken Hornady this long to release it. It'll have a little more HP than the .300 WM and the military is already looking at it to replace the .300 WM. If that happens the .300 PRC will be here to stay, but I'm betting even if the military doesnt adopt it it will still be successful. Maybe not .300 WM successful, but probably .300 WSM.

std7mag · January 12, 2019, 01:29 PM

I thought it was slightly "improved".
Gunwerks teamed up with Hornady to bring out the 7mm LRM.
I'm thinking they are trying to keep it proprietary, as i have not heard much about it, other than Gunwerks.

taylorce1 · January 12, 2019, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by std7mag

I thought it was slightly "improved".

Nope, same 30 degree shoulder and same case length 2.580". The rest of the case dimensions at the shoulder are pretty close as well, just a little different from necking from .375 to .264 diameter. Like I said I can't hardly believe it took Hornady this long to put out a necked down version of the .375 Ruger. I guess the timing wasn't right before to try and dethrone the WM and WSM.

jmr40 · January 12, 2019, 03:16 PM

The market for rifles is changing, and has been for about 20 years. Not too many years ago most rifle owners were hunters 1st. And many enjoyed also using their hunting rifles for informal target shooting.

Today the number of hunters has dropped dramatically, while the number of rifle owners has sky rocketed. The new shooters want a target rifle 1st, and those who still hunt would like for the same rifle to be suitable for hunting.

That is why the 6.5 CM has taken off. It is as good an all purpose cartridge as you can get, and it does stuff out of the box that can only be accomplished with rifles chambered in 6.5X55 or 260 after they have been modified and with custom loads that could not be safely fired in factory rifles.

I have no issue with any of the magnums, but the trend both for hunters and target shooters for the last couple of decades has been gravitating away from them. Better bullets have made more moderate cartridges like 6.5 CM, 7-08, 308, and even 243 much better options for big game hunting and they are in the game for target shooting out to 1000+ yards. Which is farther than 95% of shooters have the skills to use. Probably 90% of us have no place to shoot far enough to NEED anything larger than the 308 based cartridges.

I think it is natural for some shooters to reach the point where 500 yard shots are mundane and to want to shoot farther. And if someone has the skills, and a place to shoot them the big 30 caliber magnums will allow shooters to go even longer. I can see a niche market to sell enough of them to keep the round alive. But don't anticipate a huge demand.

std7mag · January 12, 2019, 03:58 PM

Seems logical to a degree...

I'm not sure what special custom work one would need to do to make any difference between say a Rem 700 Sendero chambered in 6.5CM vs 260 Rem?

The only real place the 6.5 CM would really set itself from the 260 Rem is in an MSR platform.
And then only if your loading from a magazine vs single feed.

PALongbow · January 16, 2019, 04:40 PM

I'll let you know when the Hart rifle arrives. According to Bob its going to be 3-4 months to complete the build. On a similar note I actually found Hornady dies and brass for the 300 PRC so the reloading components are out there now. Haven't seen any factory ammo yet from Hornady but heard its coming soon.

Ron

Road_Clam · January 16, 2019, 06:10 PM

Another hype caliber for the weekend picnic table snipers to internet argue ballistics for months. Probably be another 224 Valkyrie story.... I fell prey to the 6.5 club and at the end of the day i'm still struggling to get my 6.5CM McRees Precision barrel to shoot consistently sub moa beyond 300 yds. Seems like I need to test those dam expensive Berger Hybrids !!

std7mag · January 16, 2019, 06:29 PM

You could always swap the barrel out with something in a .284...

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IdaD · January 17, 2019, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by disseminator

Stick with the 300wm or the WSM, those are the ones that will last. The others will be gone like summer.

I'm happy with my 300 Wby, which has been around a lot of years, and I'll stick with it in this caliber range. Only thing I don't like about it how much it costs to feed, but I don't shoot it all that much so it's not a big deal.

offroadmatt · January 23, 2019, 09:15 AM

Its just a marketing name. If and I mean IF the DoD decides to tackle it, just maybe it will get traction. I don't see any significant gains over the others in that caliber. So I can't see why they or anybody else would switch. Especially if your tooled up for something else. I think its pretty safe to say the majority of us don't like change.... If Hornady want to give me a rifle and unlimited ammo as a sponsor to promote it. Then by all means I'll be back on here singing a different tune!

December 12, 2018, 09:03 PM	#1
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	300 PRC is it? Is this new "wonder 30" really anything markedly better than a 300 Winchester, or 300 Weatherby. Especially for a non-reloader who buys his ammo off the shelf. Just wondering after a friend was telling me he wants to get a Remington Custom Shop 700 in this caliber because it is so much better than anything else out there. __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

December 13, 2018, 05:28 AM	#3
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	These new cartridges that are coming out can be taken with a grain of salt. Companies have learned about not hyping up their cartridges in advertising. It does not have a belt, but neither do the 300 Blaser Mag, 300 Norma Mag, 300 Rum, 300 Dakota, 300 WSM, 300 RSAUM, 300 RCM. All are fat, fast and fill a niche. __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

December 14, 2018, 09:24 AM	#7
Nathan Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2001 Posts: 6,326	I think the 6.5 Creedmor is here to stay like the 300 WSM. The PRC chamberings are cool, but they have not really answered the why question for me...Will this precision rifle fad stay, or pass, especially long range? Are they better at something else? The real issue today and moving forward it we are learn how to get more out of a cartridge design through new bullet materials and new bullet designs. Trouble is, if I make a new 308 with a drastically different throat and all I. A gun that handles 80000 psi, how do I keep people from putting it in a 50000 psi gun? These kinds of issues like 300 bo in a 5.56 nato or hot 30’06 in an M1. Or do we have to make the 80000 psi guns with a new 0.490 case head? Today, cartridge designers are doing this. Think about the 6.5x55. It is an amazing hunting round easily capable of a 140gr 6.5 bullet at 2800 FPS. Many of the guns can handle that well. 2 things hurt this. One, some guy with a Swedish Mauser May drop that round in it. Two, nobody will make a medium action length for it. So, we have 264 win mag, 260 rem, 6.5x284, .... Last edited by Nathan; December 14, 2018 at 09:40 AM.

December 15, 2018, 10:55 AM	#10
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	Again, boils down to advertising. If it were marketed better we would all be shooting 6.5XC. ( 6XC necked up) Created by David Tubb. __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

January 11, 2019, 04:07 PM	#14
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,014	Well the road to the poor house is paved with Niche calibers. Animals could care less, if its a 6.5, 6.6.. 6.7, 270, AK47, 06, etc etc if the bullet is right for the game. No niche Targets only care (well the shooter) if it is better than other things. 6.5 was the rage 6 is not, 30 PRC is, and ............ 12 Gauge slug gun that shoots the lights out at 300 yards is next? I like my calibers, I don't claim they are anything more than appeal to me. They don't jump taller buildings or leap oceans or any of that. __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not

December 12, 2018, 09:35 PM	#2
reynolds357 Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2012 Posts: 6,165	Yes, it fills a niche. It is designed for heavy, long match bullets. It is beltless, fat, and fast,

December 13, 2018, 10:31 PM	#4
disseminator Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 2016 Location: Minnesota Posts: 960	Stick with the 300wm or the WSM, those are the ones that will last. The others will be gone like summer.

December 14, 2018, 09:32 AM	#8
ernie8 Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2018 Posts: 217	The new 6.5 CM delivers the same performance as the 6.5x55mm that has been around for over 120 years .

January 11, 2019, 01:47 PM	#13
PALongbow Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2001 Location: SE Pennsylvania Posts: 103	I'll let you know in a few months.... I have a Hart custom rifle on order in 300 PRC. The military adopted it so it should be around for a while. Ron

January 11, 2019, 05:56 PM	#15
1stmar Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,378	PAlongbow lets us know how you make out. Hart does some great stuff, im sure it will be a shooter.

January 11, 2019, 10:02 PM	#16
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,242	.300 PRC is simply the .375 Ruger necked down to .308, and I'm surprised it has taken Hornady this long to release it. It'll have a little more HP than the .300 WM and the military is already looking at it to replace the .300 WM. If that happens the .300 PRC will be here to stay, but I'm betting even if the military doesnt adopt it it will still be successful. Maybe not .300 WM successful, but probably .300 WSM. __________________ NRA Life Member

January 12, 2019, 01:29 PM	#17
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	I thought it was slightly "improved". Gunwerks teamed up with Hornady to bring out the 7mm LRM. I'm thinking they are trying to keep it proprietary, as i have not heard much about it, other than Gunwerks. __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

January 12, 2019, 03:16 PM	#19
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,805	The market for rifles is changing, and has been for about 20 years. Not too many years ago most rifle owners were hunters 1st. And many enjoyed also using their hunting rifles for informal target shooting. Today the number of hunters has dropped dramatically, while the number of rifle owners has sky rocketed. The new shooters want a target rifle 1st, and those who still hunt would like for the same rifle to be suitable for hunting. That is why the 6.5 CM has taken off. It is as good an all purpose cartridge as you can get, and it does stuff out of the box that can only be accomplished with rifles chambered in 6.5X55 or 260 after they have been modified and with custom loads that could not be safely fired in factory rifles. I have no issue with any of the magnums, but the trend both for hunters and target shooters for the last couple of decades has been gravitating away from them. Better bullets have made more moderate cartridges like 6.5 CM, 7-08, 308, and even 243 much better options for big game hunting and they are in the game for target shooting out to 1000+ yards. Which is farther than 95% of shooters have the skills to use. Probably 90% of us have no place to shoot far enough to NEED anything larger than the 308 based cartridges. I think it is natural for some shooters to reach the point where 500 yard shots are mundane and to want to shoot farther. And if someone has the skills, and a place to shoot them the big 30 caliber magnums will allow shooters to go even longer. I can see a niche market to sell enough of them to keep the round alive. But don't anticipate a huge demand. __________________ "If you're still doing things the same way you were doing them 10 years ago, you're doing it wrong" Winston Churchill

January 12, 2019, 03:58 PM	#20
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	Seems logical to a degree... I'm not sure what special custom work one would need to do to make any difference between say a Rem 700 Sendero chambered in 6.5CM vs 260 Rem? The only real place the 6.5 CM would really set itself from the 260 Rem is in an MSR platform. And then only if your loading from a magazine vs single feed. __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

January 16, 2019, 04:40 PM	#21
PALongbow Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2001 Location: SE Pennsylvania Posts: 103	I'll let you know when the Hart rifle arrives. According to Bob its going to be 3-4 months to complete the build. On a similar note I actually found Hornady dies and brass for the 300 PRC so the reloading components are out there now. Haven't seen any factory ammo yet from Hornady but heard its coming soon. Ron

January 16, 2019, 06:10 PM	#22
Road_Clam Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2013 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 1,695	Another hype caliber for the weekend picnic table snipers to internet argue ballistics for months. Probably be another 224 Valkyrie story.... I fell prey to the 6.5 club and at the end of the day i'm still struggling to get my 6.5CM McRees Precision barrel to shoot consistently sub moa beyond 300 yds. Seems like I need to test those dam expensive Berger Hybrids !! __________________ "To be old an wise you must have been young and stupid"

January 16, 2019, 06:29 PM	#23
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	You could always swap the barrel out with something in a .284... : __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

January 23, 2019, 09:15 AM	#25
offroadmatt Member Join Date: January 7, 2018 Posts: 29	Its just a marketing name. If and I mean IF the DoD decides to tackle it, just maybe it will get traction. I don't see any significant gains over the others in that caliber. So I can't see why they or anybody else would switch. Especially if your tooled up for something else. I think its pretty safe to say the majority of us don't like change.... If Hornady want to give me a rifle and unlimited ammo as a sponsor to promote it. Then by all means I'll be back on here singing a different tune!