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February 14, 2018, 02:58 PM | #26 |
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All brakes increase the muzzle blast and noise for the shooter and everybody near him. Makes no difference if the rifle is a magnum or not either.
Nearly got blown off the bench one time by some kid and his .338 WM with no brake. Muzzle blast was enormous from 6 feet or more.
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February 14, 2018, 03:17 PM | #28 |
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The ones I have are 9 oclock, 3 oclock or are side just holes at most then top holes to contain muzzle jump. Not sure what ones you are talking about but I imagine you've never really used any of them.
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February 14, 2018, 03:49 PM | #29 |
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Basically, there are 4 kinds of muzzle devices...
Brakes - they work by diverting gas to work against the recoil impulse....unfortunately, to work well, they divert gas at the shooter and up. Suppressors- they divert gas away from the bore, but catch it, thus suppressing some noise. Linear comps - catch expanding gas and direct it away from the shooter. Still loud, but louder for those downrange. Flash hiders - goal is to break up the expanding fireball of gas coming out of the barrel by allowing gas to seep to the side and up, the fireball is smaller overall. So, the only "brakes" that have less blast do so at a penalty of less performance... |
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Type "muzzle brake" in the search field. Click "search" or hit 'enter'. Click the "Images" tab. Erase some of the ignorance through exposure to more designs that you, apparently, have never been made aware of before. Sniping other members while clearly being ignorant of the subject matter is extremely rude and makes one look a fool.
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February 14, 2018, 05:25 PM | #33 |
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I had a Weatherby 30-378 that was the loudest thing I ever heard and if you propped across a pickup hood the blast would make a Chicago road map out of the windshield.
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February 14, 2018, 09:06 PM | #35 |
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Hawg...please tell me you didn't...!!!???
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February 14, 2018, 09:38 PM | #36 |
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Speaking of loud muzzle brakes...
Can anyone ID this muzzle brake. Got it at a gun show a few months ago....
Very good at reducing recoil. Very heavy. VERY LOUD! Thanks. |
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February 15, 2018, 09:27 AM | #38 | |
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Simply put, MBs are a range nuisance. ... And they're particularly a point of group aggravation at precision-rifle training events where you're actually trying to concentrate and absorb key elements of the precision skill-set, which concentration is being thoroughly disrupted shot-to-shot by that guy (or those guys) on the line with the most laterally concussive MB(s). Last class I was attended, this training-impairment issue was remedied somewhat by herding the MB specialists and their shooting gear to the far end of the line, which also happened to be puddled and muddy from the previous night's rain. Serves 'em right. Everyone else's learning curve discernibly improved thereafter. Regardless of caliber, guys who install MBs on ARs - or precision bolt guns for that matter - seem to think they offer some 'tactical' benefit (they don't), or make their weapon easier to shoot (all shooting 'crutches' = easier, not better), or perhaps help them identify - in a psychological way - with that 'Official Cool Guy' trainer-type whose YouTube vid about his really cool rifle they just watched the night before. ... Puleeese Nope, when you sit down and objectively weigh the 'pros and cons' of MBs, ... - it's like, sorry, dudes, but you MB guys will be shooting waaay down over there, at the wet and muddy end of the firing line. Last edited by agtman; February 15, 2018 at 09:52 AM. |
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February 15, 2018, 09:42 AM | #39 |
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@ emcon5
Nice reply, Sounds like someone still pretends to know more than he does. They are all 4/8 oclock vented brakes right? Please enlighten my how much you know about them and how a gun brake causes "increased" pressure? I'm sorry if gun brakes offend you somehow but they are not going away. Don't like it move or come back another day. People that use them have as much right to shooting time as anyone else. |
February 15, 2018, 10:47 AM | #40 |
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Rude shooter with muzzle brake
Shooter with .308 selective fire AR with muzzle break positioned himself next to me at our local range 25 yard rimfire and pistol section. Separation between shooters is less than at the rifle side of the range. Automatic fire is permitted only on the pistol side.
The shooter was outfitted with "tactical" "shmactical" clothing and requisite purposeful demeanor. Two young women watched him. First blast blew away a few spent .22 cases and some of my peaceful attitude. Asked him to move but he refused and moved his selector from semi to auto. That blew away my hat and the remainder of my peaceful attitude. Chided him for being rude and inconsiderate. Noted this to the range officer and he apologized but could not restrict the obnoxious shooter since he was firing automatic. Moral: muzzle brakes are fine and serve a good purpose but must be used with consideration and respect for neighboring shooters. In other words, not so loud! |
February 15, 2018, 11:11 AM | #41 |
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Loud muzzle brake can clear the lanes next to you, so does a real bad case of body odor. In either cases, purposely plant yourself right in the middle of your peers just to watch them flee; you are an a-hole, a real foul smelling one.
I have met a few of those. -TL Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk |
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February 15, 2018, 11:18 AM | #43 |
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I have to agree with tangolima on this one. I have no problem if someone comes up to me and asks nicely but I try to use an end bench to begin with. Unfortunately sometimes you don't get that opportunity to pick and choose shooting benches. If you come up to me and are an ahole right from the start then good luck with that cuz I ain't budging. Every guy that uses a muzzle brake is not a jerk.
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Yeah, it can be a divisive subject, for sure. I have a friend that uses them on some guns. When in use, I have to get directly behind him or take a walk. We can't both shoot together when a braked weapon is involved. I'm polite about it and as tolerant about it as I can be, as it is an important friendship. But here, I guess I can say that I hate muzzle brakes. On the other hand, I sure wish that suppressors would get deregulated.
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February 16, 2018, 10:18 AM | #47 |
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I don't know of anyone that puts on a muzzle brake for aesthetics? I know some just like to put on fancy muzzle flash suppressors but that's about it.
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February 16, 2018, 10:47 AM | #48 |
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I think they're necessary on larger magnums throwing heavy pills, but I too had one that came on a high end AR, and it was essentially just a loudener that made the gun unpleasant to shoot. I took it off, re-crowned to an 11deg, and had them make a knurled cap so I kept the threads and can run a can. Never happier.
In matches where recoil mitigation is essential (where you've got to keep a sight picture through your scope) with timed courses of fire it's going to be a brake or a can, and a brake is a lot cheaper and less hassle. |
February 21, 2018, 07:09 PM | #49 |
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Got one on my Browning A Bolt with Boss in 300 Win Mag. It's beyond loud!
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February 21, 2018, 08:29 PM | #50 |
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A properly tuned brake does not increase volume for the shooter. Annoying people beside me I am competing against is an added bonus.
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