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Old October 14, 2009, 10:54 PM   #26
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Who makes policy at the public range? Are the RO's allowed to restrict anything they want?
This question was answered in this thread, and well answered, but I'd like to add a bit.

In GA, the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) controls the public ranges, which are located on WMA (Wildlife Management Area) land. This year, the GA DNR removed a longstanding suppressor ban from their ranges. As long as you own it legally, you are welcome to fire a suppressed weapon on their ranges. They still prohibit full auto fire on their ranges, for safety reasons, mostly muzzle climb with the result being projectiles exiting the range. I can't argue with that after having seen the folks who come to these public ranges.

I recently joined a private range (because of safety issues on public ranges) which also does not allow full auto fire on their ranges. The reason given was that they have allowed it in the past, but it always ends up in visits from the local Sheriff's dept., along with destruction of club property.

Incidentally, I posted quite a rant a while back about GA public ranges. I emailed the DNR, and ended up speaking with the fellow in charge of all the ranges. He listened to my concerns and I have to say that most of them have been addressed. We spoke for almost an hour and I have to say I was impressed with his willingness to listen to the end user. I saw several changes at my local range in the months after we spoke.
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Old October 23, 2009, 08:16 PM   #27
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I think I will chime in on this.

First off I like guns and I go shooting with friends but my parents dont really agree. I have wanted to own a Garand but my dad keeps on saying that they were designed to kill (I cant really argue with that). But I have a long list of stuff I would like

But what I can not see is the silencers (I thought they were illegal till I saw this thread lol )

But I am curious as to why you have a silencer unless you were trying to "hide" you shootings, heck I would want to show off
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Old October 23, 2009, 11:17 PM   #28
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Silencers and why

Shooting ranges close due to noise complaints all the time, silencers fix this. Are you one who blasts the base in thier car to bother the neighbors, it is not impressive it is bothersome.

When hunting or shooting why damage your hearing and scare away all the targets?

After you get your first rifle if mommy and daddy let you, you will find that it is damn loud and that wearing hearing protection is not helpfull to proper aim.

Now I assume you think having a silencer as equipment makes one an assasin.

Your mom has the equipment to be a prostitute but I will not assume she is a whore.
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Old October 23, 2009, 11:44 PM   #29
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But what I can not see is the silencers (I thought they were illegal till I saw this thread lol )

But I am curious as to why you have a silencer unless you were trying to "hide" you shootings, heck I would want to show off
Hide? How do you hide the noise of a gun that is over 100 decibels? I guess you think silencers make a firearm silent? Some silencers do not even make them safe to shoot without ear plugs, especially the high powered rifles.

If you belonged to a rifle range that is being encroached by housing and noise complaints, then you might appreciate silencers more.

So why was it that you thought silencers were illegal until recently? I'm sure you had no good reason to believe so since there are no federal laws prohibiting ownership by law abiding adults.

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Old October 23, 2009, 11:49 PM   #30
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But I am curious as to why you have a silencer unless you were trying to "hide" you shootings, heck I would want to show off
Why do you want a muffler on your car?
Why do you want to live in an apartment where the walls aren't made of cardboard?
Why do you not want your neighbor mowing his lawn at 5 AM?
Why do you not want big-rigs using their Jake Brakes when coming through town?
Why do you not want to live next to an airport?
Why do you not want to live next to the train yard/train tracks?

After all, don't you want to listen to all those people showing off?

For most people, muzzle blast is an annoyance. Much like the twits who have loud pipes on their cars and motorcycles, it is a something that most of us would rather not deal with. Putting the bullet where we want it is what most of us going for. If we want to make noise, that is what fireworks are for. They are allot cheaper and can be used in more places than guns.

I'm not impressed by how loud someones gun is. What impresses me is how nice a setup it is, how well they can shoot it, and how rare it is.

If someone showed up at the range with a SACO TRG-42 in 338 LM I would be impressed as the TRG-42 is a high quality and expensive rifle. If they could shoot pennies at 200 yards with it, I would be even more impressed. The fact that it has a muzzle blast that can ignite the grass 6' in front of the gun does not impress me.

Making something loud is not hard, A noisy ricer 4-banger flooring it at the stop light does not impress me. A tractor with two Oldsmobile V-8's w/straight pipes dragging the Sled like it was made of styrofoam impresses me. (It impresses me to the point that I still remember it well over a decade later. At least 6' of flame coming out of each pipe and the tractor/sled accelerating like it was a top fuel dragster. The sled topped out and he kept going without slowing down. Had to stop because he ran out of track.)

A suppressor is a piece of safety equipment. My ear muffs only protect MY hearing, a suppressor protects everyone's hearing. It reduces shooter fatigue. It reduces the disturbance to wildlife. (and gives me a batter chance to nails that prairie dogs buddy.)

I want to "hide" my shooting activities much like I want to "hide" the party at my house. I am considerate and don't want to disturb my neighbors.

I HATE it when I'm at the range and someone busts out the 300 RUM. The roof over the benches focuses the muzzle blast and makes it very unpleasant to shoot even if you're a good distance away.

In some parts of the world, suppressor use is REQUIRED.
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Old October 24, 2009, 10:41 AM   #31
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I did not ask to get flamed I asked to understand why, I have nothing against silencers and I know guns are loud (shot 1911's, 223, 375 H&H (that hurt) and the 300 RUM, and more, heck I had the opportunity to shoot a 50cal but I could not make it that day).

I just pop in the ear plugs (I am a drummer so I have some nice ones around) and go out.


ps. the reason why I can not own a gun is not that they wont approve but because I am not allowed by law to have them in the house and the closet range is a good drive away and I would not want to pay money to have it stored a long way away.


@ Crosshair that makes a lot of sense
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Old October 24, 2009, 11:31 AM   #32
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You were being treated very gentle in my opinion. You said
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why you have a silencer unless you were trying to "hide" you shootings
Words like this are flame bait. Would you say the same thing to a car owner? If not, then why are you saying it to a gun owner? When I hear this "what are you hiding" crap in person, I think the person is being rude and tell them so.

I see you avoid answering the questions directed to you. You might want to take a stab at good answers instead of complaints about flaming.

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Old October 24, 2009, 06:11 PM   #33
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I dont think I phrased anything right in any of my posts and I hope I did not anger anyone really bad but I am still learning.

I just ask for your forgiving and patient with my thoughts.
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Old October 24, 2009, 06:31 PM   #34
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More looks of astonishment from other shooters on the range but never issues from and LEO (one did take me up on the offer to shoot my UZI)
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Old October 24, 2009, 06:52 PM   #35
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I have had the usual "Aren't they illegal" and or "Don't the Feds come to your house" questions.
then I explain that I've paid the federal tax and have the license to own mine, I wouldn't own one illegally
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Old October 24, 2009, 11:32 PM   #36
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I've paid the federal tax and have the license to own mine,
but it isn't a license, it is a stamp. Any law abiding citizen can have it if their state laws allow....

Sorry, there is so much nit picking about this stuff here I had to do some in jest.
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Old December 14, 2009, 07:42 PM   #37
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Many of the ranges around me won't allow NFA items...even suppressors or SBR's. So I don't do business with them.
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Old December 14, 2009, 09:19 PM   #38
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OK what do I have to do to get one.
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Old December 14, 2009, 10:45 PM   #39
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I don't have any NFA items, but I (my family) does have a Barrett or 2. My girlfriend always says they should be illegal and that no one needs one. I tell her the $400.00 () purse she carries should be illegal, and that no one needs one.

At least she drops the argument.
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Old December 15, 2009, 01:25 AM   #40
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I would drop the girl
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Old December 15, 2009, 03:54 AM   #41
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its not really a suppressor unless you have subsonic ammunition's(1100 fps) i think


Even with standard velocity ammo it is still a suppressor. Just not in the Hollywood way most people think of them.

A rifle shot is in the 160 decibel range. a Suppressor will bring that same shot down 30 or more decibels. There is still the "sonic" crack of the bullet but the firing sound is still reduced by quite a bit.
A suppressor on a AR rifle will make it sound about the same as a 22LR without a suppressor and that is using full velocity ammo.
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Old December 15, 2009, 04:02 AM   #42
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I was talking guns with some neighbors at a block party once. One older gentleman was listening in and became annoyed at me once my suppressors were mentioned. Hestarted with the old 'Those are illegal" "nobody should have them", etc.
He actually started to call the cops on me. I told him to feel free but I had something to show him first. I went and got my Form 4. The look on his face when I showed him the paperwork, including the Sheriff's signature, was priceless.
He then started the whole "need" thing but at that point I was done and walked off. The neighbors I was orgionally talking with enjoyed the whole thing since they go shooting with me and have played with my toys in the past.
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Old December 15, 2009, 11:23 AM   #43
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A suppressor on a AR rifle will make it sound about the same as a 22LR without a suppressor and that is using full velocity ammo.
A good can will get it substantially quieter than .22LR.

Regarding the guy who wanted to call the cops because you said you had had a suppressor. Nice neighbor! I probably wouldn't have bothered pulling out the paperwork. I would have explained the law to him, and then would have told him to go ahead and make an idiot out of himself. First, no cop is going to do squat based on some neighbor's report that he overheard you saying you had a silencer. And, even if they wanted to, they'd have to get a search warrant first. Even assuming that the cop didn't know the law either, you could just show him your paperwork at that time...or just tell his CLEO to look it up in his log if he signed-off for it.

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Old December 15, 2009, 05:43 PM   #44
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Not if she can afford $400 purses.
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Old December 15, 2009, 07:02 PM   #45
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its not really a suppressor unless you have subsonic ammunition's(1100 fps) i think
Where do people get this stuff? It is a suppressor because it reduces noise. As the dumb man once said, this stuff is not rocket surgery.

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Old December 15, 2009, 08:33 PM   #46
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I never have any problems because I live in Illinois and Illinois sucks! Cant have em...
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Old December 16, 2009, 01:53 AM   #47
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the reason why I can not own a gun is not that they wont approve but because I am not allowed by law to have them in the house
And, why not? Please elaborate.
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Old December 16, 2009, 05:06 AM   #48
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I get the usual "What do you need a machine gun for?" Gets old after a while.
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Old December 16, 2009, 07:26 AM   #49
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the reason why I can not own a gun is not that they wont approve but because I am not allowed by law to have them in the house

And, why not? Please elaborate.
I believe he has stated in the past that he lives in a country where they are illegal and most guns must be kept locked at a range, not allowed to have them in a private residence.

Remember, not all members of TFL live in the USA and according to the local media in other countries, we have lax gun laws and are a gun culture.
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Old December 18, 2009, 01:08 AM   #50
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"its not really a suppressor unless you have subsonic ammunition's(1100 fps) i think"

Its around 800 FPS .The .45 ACP is the only factory ammo. that qualifies .
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