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Old December 15, 2002, 02:26 AM   #1
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Is there such a thing as a F/A grenade launcher?

I saw the most bizaar looking machine gun on the BBC news last week. Several American soldiers somewhere in Africa were guarding some kind of shipping dock. I got a glimpse of an American Marine on a Humvee with a belt fed machine gun. The gun had these giant mushroom looking shells. They looke more like grenades than bullets.

It was no .50 cal either.
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Old December 15, 2002, 02:52 AM   #2
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Isn't there a 40MM BOFORS or some such? I think the Spectre gunship carried one.
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Old December 15, 2002, 03:35 AM   #3
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What you saw was a Mk. 19 40mm belt-fed AGL (Automatic Grenade Launcher) or, as they're now called, GMGs (Grenade Machine Guns).

Interesting story: Back before the '86 ban went into effect, some dude at SACO saw the writing on the wall, yanked one off the line, and put it on a form 4. It was just up for sale in Shotgun News last year. Price? "Serious Inquiries Only". Rumour has it that the thing went for six figures. Each round (if you can find 'em) is a DD. That's gotta be some $$$ to shoot.
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Old December 15, 2002, 10:00 AM   #4
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I was in Canada and they don't consider the grenade launchers to even be firearms because the velocity of the round is too slow. Maybe I should get a cabin and buy one up there. The round for the MK19 are a higher pressure round than the m203/m79 rounds.
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Old December 15, 2002, 11:03 AM   #5
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I think the ChiComs have a auto grenade launcher too. Can't recall the name or number, maybe someone else can.
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Old December 15, 2002, 12:45 PM   #6
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I didn't realize the MK19 round was any different? I thought it was the standard 40mm but linked together?

Don't they make a flechette AP round for the 203? hmmm
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Old December 15, 2002, 12:48 PM   #7
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more tidbits

For those of you playing at home, the cyclic rate of fire of the Mk19 is around 350/minute.

Also, my old gunny told me in Desert Storm that they actually developed a TFT (tabular firing table...artillery nerds will know what I mean) for the 40mm for indirect fire applications.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it...
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Old December 15, 2002, 03:15 PM   #8
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ACP230,

So do the Russkies: the AGS-17, I think it's called...
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Old December 15, 2002, 03:23 PM   #9
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So do the Germans. Namely Heckler & Koch.
Heres the GMG,(Granat Maschinengewehr) in 40mmx53.


Plus,a lightweight version is planned,the GMW,light.
(Leichtgewicht Granatmaschinenwaffe)also in 40mmx53.

GMG cyclic rate is 330 rpm,while the GMW is 350 rpm.
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Old December 15, 2002, 04:57 PM   #10
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Tamara, esho raz, eta pravda, devushka. Sometimes called "pauk", aka "the spider" a nickname from Central America and African clients.

What are you doing reading Soviet FMs again? Let me tell you where THAT will get you (riffed).

That Dutch bugger looks really nifty. Anyone shot one?
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Old December 15, 2002, 06:52 PM   #11
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That was it, Tamara.

I learn something new everyday.
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Old December 15, 2002, 07:18 PM   #12
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I am in the grip of a fit of aquisitiveness!

Too bad there aren't any C&R 40 MM FA guns out there.

(Too bad I'm too broke to buy even a .40 S&W BHP at the moment.)
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Old December 15, 2002, 10:22 PM   #13
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MK19 shoots a high pressure grenade. DON'T de-link MK19 grenades and fire in your M79 or M203...

Yes there is a TFT for the MK19. Most fun cupola mount for your HMMWV? MK19 on the front, M249 on the back...Of course you need the bigger engine, especially if you've got the armor package..all that ammo is heavy

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Old December 16, 2002, 02:54 AM   #14
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Owing to the absence of a pistol grip protruding conspicuously beneath the action, would the Mk19 be California legal?
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Old December 16, 2002, 03:03 AM   #15
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Probably not..
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Old December 18, 2002, 02:24 PM   #16
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Are there any pre-ban hi caps for these?
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Old December 18, 2002, 03:01 PM   #17
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LOL

Dont' forget, you can find alot of us moving to:

www.gun-talk.com

I never thought that I would ever have to use the word
"move" when it came to this site...

C'mon over and check it out...
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Old December 18, 2002, 04:36 PM   #18
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The AGS-17 was nicknamed the "Plamya" or "flame" as I recall. Russia now has the AGS-30 30mm grenade launcher for sale.

Unless I'm terribly mistaken, The ChiCom version is a bit different. It is configured almost like an LMG or SAW, with a stock. It's also more portable than either the AGS-17 or Mk19.
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buzz, if memory serves you are correct, but that was the native nickname.

The spider was brought over from Central America and African clients.
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Old December 18, 2002, 10:50 PM   #20
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That thing looks like a bitch to move. I would think it would only be practical on a vehicle. I think moving a mortar around would be easier than that thing. Can you imagine moving the ammo can around that holds 200 grenades?

We didn't have them in Somalia did we?
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Old December 20, 2002, 07:56 PM   #21
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We didn't have them in Somalia did we?
From what the book says, they had a couple MK19's on some of their Humvees in the rescue convoy. One part of the book describes how the gunner began shooting grenades into the open windows of the buildings that they were taking fire from. It was quite effective.
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Old December 20, 2002, 08:26 PM   #22
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That thing looks like a bitch to move. I would think it would only be practical on a vehicle.
It's definately not a man-pack weapon. The ground mount is the same tripod that the M2 .50 caliber MG uses.

There is a great cupola mount for the HMMWV for the MK19. MK19 on one end, M249 SAW on the other .

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Old December 20, 2002, 09:08 PM   #23
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Look at the blue color grenades in the picture Schuey posted. Reminds me of blue plastic blanks/training rounds.
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Old November 30, 2004, 08:03 AM   #24
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Mk19

Large, tripod or vehicle mounted fully automatic grenade launcher. They are big, bulky, requiring 2 people to carry it. We had them in the USAF (security forces) and they were used as our heavy support fire weapon. Not sure how they perform, as we never launched any rounds. Comforting though, decent range, and (on paper) good capablity to kill people and break their stuff.
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Old November 30, 2004, 09:56 AM   #25
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The thing is a heavy beast however it is possible to break it down into pieces and jump it using several troops. Jumping the barrell in the weapon kit strapped to your side is not the funnest experience.
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