May 18, 2017, 02:40 PM | #1 |
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What to do now CO?
So I remembered (what seemed like a couple weeks ago) that there was a committee that was attempting to make a bill to repeal the "high capacity" mag ban in CO. So I looked it up over lunch: https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017...ouse-committee
How do we get past this? Besides the obvious answer of getting a new governor, or is that really the only answer. |
May 18, 2017, 03:29 PM | #2 |
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The act died in committee - it never made it to the floor of the congress.
How you get past it is to mail letters, write emails and make phone calls to the folks in the committees. Then you do the same thing to all your representatives and senators and you keep doing it until it passes. If they don't listen then let everyone know that they are anti gun and show the record. The next election use their past voting record to get them out and a more conservative in. If that doesn't work and you know that more than half the states voters want the act repealed you could start an initiative and let the people vote it out. You have to be very careful with initiatives because if you have a small geographic area that contains more than half the population then that area will decide the outcome of your initiative. Those areas are typically around big cities that are loaded with liberals. |
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Right (yea I saw that it died before getting anywhere plus the twin house bill died even before committee), other problem would be that he could veto it if it made it through the senate & house AND would need some sort of majority vote (usually) to get past the veto. Which the republicans definitely don't have, or at least the pro-gun side doesn't.
It just irks me because law enforcement on various(all) levels have all come out and said that the law is almost impossible to enforce and the only people who have actually been charged with it, were already charged with something else. |
May 18, 2017, 07:54 PM | #5 |
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Our Governor saw to it that Constitutional Carry was killed every year including this year. His Lobbyist was at all the committee meetings.
He quit Bloomberg's group Mayors against Guns or something, and two weeks later joined NRA. Promised when running he would sign Constitutional Carry if it got to his desk. He kept it from getting to his desk. He likes the many million that permits and application fees bring in each year as does a Supporter who runs Gun carry Permit classes. All told about 300.00 to get a life time Permit in Tn. Yes, the Governor knows what each Legislator is doing or supporting. His staff control them ads much as they let them. |
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There's probably no going back, minus some sort of high publicity use of a concealed carry pistol with a normal-cap (15+) magazine by a non-LEO citizen being used to save a bus load of baby seals going to a ganga concert.
So long as the Democrats hold the House, nothing "common sense" will be passed to the governor to call his bluff.
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I have family in Colorado, lived there myself when it was still red from 1991-97. Anyway, this law is totally unenforceable. I have literally 40 or 50 steel mags that hold more than 15 rounds, and there are no indications or marks saying when they were made. Some folks I know who live there have similar caches of mags. You could easily acquire pistol or rifle mags with no way to verify their age.
The law is pointless.... Even in states with total bans given that acquisition of such mags is so easy. |
May 22, 2017, 08:32 AM | #9 |
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Our instructor at my pistol class said "Whenever we get the ability to buy 15+ mags again. Until then just go up to Cheyenne [WY]."
His reasoning was that he disobeys unconstitutional laws. I agree with the fact that the law is silly, but I would rather order mags online. One of my LGS sells mags as "parts kits" because "there is no law against selling a parts kit for your mag". However they are a ma&pa shop and they can get away with that. Any of the large box stores basically just don't sell any 9mm, double stack pistols because their mags are illegal. The ma&pa store is awesome and we (my gf and I) like them a lot, but their prices aren't always the best. |
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2 other options of proof: 1. If there's a quality control manufacturing date/serial on the magazine that shows it was made after 2013. 2. A magazine type, say "Magpul Gen 5," which wasn't available before 2013.
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Keep in mind that rebuild kits are still available, so replacing a broken Magpul Gen 2 body with a Brand new Magpul Gen 3+ mag body isn't illegal. So there's an example where you have a brand new 2017-era part that's compliant.
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Save your pics and receipts, magnumwill.
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^^^ Using MagnumWill's example, I would also personally recommend smashing the Gen2 mag body flat with a BFH and keeping it. This would provide affirmative proof that the person repaired a pre-existing magazine rather than effectively assembling a new one piecemeal.
Mandatory disclaimer: I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV. This is not legal advice. Caveat emptor and YMMV.
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