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View Poll Results: Which pump shotgun will last the longest before breaking? | |||
Browning | 19 | 9.79% | |
Benelli nova/supernova | 12 | 6.19% | |
Winchester 1200/1300 | 10 | 5.15% | |
Mossberg 500 | 51 | 26.29% | |
Remington 870 | 102 | 52.58% | |
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January 17, 2010, 11:57 AM | #26 |
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I can only express my familiarity in pumps with a modern production 870 and a mid 50's Winchester Model 12. I would expect the Model 12 to give the 870 a good run fer longevity king. I default to the Ithaca crowd.
I'd prefer a Win 23 XTR, but that's a pretty big departure from what we are talking about.
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January 17, 2010, 12:04 PM | #27 |
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My Ruger P-85 was alloy and durable as heck!
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January 17, 2010, 01:08 PM | #28 |
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Browning BPS / with a close 2nd to the 870 Wingmaster ( but only the Wingmaster model of the 870 - not the rest in my opinion ) - and a close 3rd to the Winchester model 12..... In my opinion.
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I've always been led to believe that the Ithaca 37 has some fatal flaw in its design.Anyone?
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January 17, 2010, 04:03 PM | #30 |
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The one you bought.
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With many, many thousands of these models produced and many thousands of people with totals of millions upon millions of reliable rounds fired, you will not find a definitive answer. All you're going to hear is members' experiences with what works for them. There's nothing wrong with that. Just stating it's going to go nowhere in the quest for the Holy Grail.
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A non issue.
Any of those will last longer than we, given some PM and TLC. Ad that includes the bargain basement po' relation of the 500, the Maverick. A couple examples..... Anecdotal evidence I see repeatedly states the receivers on 870s used for trap oft start cracking at the rear of the ejection port at about round 250,000. Remington used to replace these, but currently they just tell you to buy another. I can relate to that. And, when the state of MD opened a prison in 1981, they put two 870s aside for training weapons. Average monthly shell use was 500 to 1000 rounds between pre service and requals. Each. As with most agency weapons, cleaning was slapdash for the most part and done by under motivated, non firearm cognizant, lackadaisical people. When I retired in 1998, the only parts replaced on one weapon was the lumber. The other had rotated into the towers and was on duty with the rest. Performance was flawless. A good friend shoots a Model 12 he's had for decades. A trap model built in the 30s and that's what he uses it for. He's a truthful sort, and says his records indicate he's run 230K rounds through it. Not trouble free, it had some trigger issues requiring shop time with a very good smith. Two acquaintances are brothers, and share the custody of a well worn Model 97. It has little blue left, the bead had been replaced a few times and they gave up and soldered on a ramp when the metal wouldn't take the thread tap any more. Other than that and a few strip and cleans at a smith over the decades, it's been trouble and PM free since before WWI. 97s are not known as the smoothest shuckers, but this one mimics butter. It has taken everything from deer to squirrels and sat behind the door on a Appalachian cabin, just in case. And while 37s are not range tools,mostly, I know of several that are on third and fourth generation owners and have lots of stories in them we'll never get to hear. I have lots of input and decades of experience with shotguns. I can recall only a few lemon pump guns. There was the Noble. Someone had been smoking tar paper shingles when they thought up that mess. The best description I ever heard of came from a smith who, despite expertise in his field, refused to work on them. "The Noble is a poorly designed and made hunk of trash that must have been thought up in the Kremlin to frustrate American shooters. Toss this piece of junk away and get you anything else"..... Some of the older Savages were problematic. I can't recall which models at this time. The Browning designs weren't the problems. Same with the Springfields, owned by Savage. Early S&W shotguns made in Japan had the rep of being Divas, but the ones I've seen in private hands worked well. As Agency arms, they faded fast. That's about it, get anything else and you'll likely be happy with it and so will your grandkids..... |
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That's kind of like asking, "How long is a piece of string?"
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With proper maintenance, any one of those guns will outlast any of us by a wide margin.
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If I had to choose, it'd be my 590A1. It takes 200-300 rounds to break the sucker in until the action feels normal.
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Another vote for the Ithaca 37
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January 18, 2010, 04:29 PM | #40 |
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Any wel built pump action will last longer than you.
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January 18, 2010, 05:13 PM | #41 |
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No one is disputing that any pump will outlast the owner. But, that was not the question.
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It depends if you leave 'em out in the rain or not...they will all outlast us if properly cared for and who cares if they last longer than that.
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It's neat to see so many replies for the Ithaca. It usually seems to be one of the more ignored shotguns on the forum.
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I own (2) 870 Wingmasters,1 Mossberg 500 and one Maverick 88. Both the Mossberg and the Maverick have been worked own and both Remingtons have been through several thousand rounds and have never had a malfunction. My vote goes for the 870, at least the earlier models any way (up until mid to late 90’s).
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We have a Winchester model 1912 built in 1915 and it has been used and passed down thru the generations, I am not certain but it probably has about 100,000 or so rounds thru it. So far it has not appeared to have been worked on and the full choke barrel is still close to spec. We still Trap Shoot with it when the folks come to visit.
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My only Shotgun.....
..... is a 1912 Winchester 12 gauge built in 1914. The blueing is gone but it still works great. 96 years old and still bustin' clays like it was new.
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January 19, 2010, 06:45 AM | #47 |
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Remington 870
I have both Winchester pump & Remington 870. I have 4 Remington 870's 2 in 12 ga & 2 in 12 ga. One each has a cantilever barrels for deer hunting. I would have to say my 870 see more action then any other shotgun that i own.
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January 19, 2010, 07:06 AM | #48 |
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If you ever manage to wear one out...brag about it.
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Some of you guys said you like the wingmaster's better and some don't like the Maverick's.
So, why? What is different from the Express to the Wingmaster? What is different from the 500 to the Maverick? To be clear, I mean specifically mechanically. Not, "My great great granddaddy had a wingmaster." Ok, reading some other threads I found this http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=1&t=177796 which answers my questions on the Remington quite well. I am still curious about the Mossberg's though. Last edited by Morgoroth; January 19, 2010 at 08:51 AM. Reason: Found the answer to one of my questions. |
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Questions involving superlatives .....longest, best, most....are categorically impossible to answer accurately without some qualification. "last the longest" - under what type of use, for instance? If I buy any one of those and leave it in the box, it will pretty much last forever. Even if you wrote "normal use", you'd still be too general. What exactly do you mean by "breaking"? Do you mean having a small part break and need repair? Do you mean that it won't fire? Do you mean that the gun can't be fixed and needs to be replaced? Pete
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