Is this ricochet possible? - Page 2

oldmanFCSA · January 15, 2021, 10:01 AM

I use 3/4" thick AR500 steel from Shoot Steel .com for targets for my 50BMG and 338LM.
Do not shoot at ranges closer than 300 yards or you may damage steel face and NO AP rounds are allowed to shoot my steel. I leave them hanging at GRRC in Harris MN. No damage yet and members paint them often to better see at up to 1000 yards.

ALWAYS hang at a 15 degree angle from the top with chains or fire-hose. The 808 grain brass solids I shoot will toss the heavy target wildly so a good target frame is required to hold the impact.
NEVER use a flat plate supported at the sides or you may receive a projectile back at you!

Have FUN, be SAFE.

cdoc42 · January 15, 2021, 07:29 PM

Can you please describe the process that results in a chain or hose that holds a steel plate presenting a 15-degree angle as opposed to the natural inclination of a hanging object to assume a 90 degree position?

TXAZ · January 15, 2021, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdoc42

Can you please describe the process that results in a chain or hose that holds a steel plate presenting a 15-degree angle as opposed to the natural inclination of a hanging object to assume a 90 degree position?

Easy.
Large screw sticking out the back has the strap attached to it causing the center of gravity to move backwards enough to tilt the plate downward.

oldmanFCSA · January 16, 2021, 11:25 AM

Grade 5 or 8 bolt thru front, then washer, then nut, then large fender washer, fire-hose or chain, washer, and then locknut.

The space between back of plate and centerline of hanging material results in an angle backward at base of plate.

ENJOY, Have FUN, Be SAFE.

cdoc42 · January 17, 2021, 02:46 PM

Thank you both!!

Frisco · January 20, 2021, 01:25 AM

I think of it this way...

I have been shooting competition for three decades, and in multiple disciplines. I have "seen some strange stuff" vis a vis ricochets and splash back hits on over the years. Even if the scenario is "highly unlikely", I will always "allow for the possibility" of some totally random galaxy defying "strange perfect storm of bad luck" to send metal back from the direction which it came.

I was shooting a TNS match at Rio Salado a few years back, and I was on Stage 1 and got hit in the left shin by what could only be explained as a double richochet from Stage 2. No, it wasn't a bad hit, mostly just a tiny bit of lead and some copper...but I bled like a stuck pig for a couple of minutes.

I wasn't "hurt"...just an owie that was handled by a bandage and I finished the match...but damned if it wasn't "one 'nem things".

So, if it's been debunked...cool. But I still allow for the possibility and like Norm "Always wear safety glasses".

FireForged · January 23, 2021, 09:50 AM

I dont think it much matters if this scenario is real or not. Generally speaking, these sort of things do happen. They happen enough not to be considered "unbelievable". That said, I try to stay a far away as practicable in regards to the impact area of any fired projectiles.

Is this ricochet possible? probably

January 15, 2021, 10:01 AM	#26
oldmanFCSA Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2010 Location: WISCONSIN Posts: 283	I use 3/4" thick AR500 steel from Shoot Steel .com for targets for my 50BMG and 338LM. Do not shoot at ranges closer than 300 yards or you may damage steel face and NO AP rounds are allowed to shoot my steel. I leave them hanging at GRRC in Harris MN. No damage yet and members paint them often to better see at up to 1000 yards. ALWAYS hang at a 15 degree angle from the top with chains or fire-hose. The 808 grain brass solids I shoot will toss the heavy target wildly so a good target frame is required to hold the impact. NEVER use a flat plate supported at the sides or you may receive a projectile back at you! Have FUN, be SAFE. __________________ OldmanFCSA = "Oldman" at www.fcsa.org FCSA Member, SCSA Member, NRA Member, & AMA Member "Oldage & Treachery will overcome Youth & Skill"

January 16, 2021, 11:25 AM	#29
oldmanFCSA Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2010 Location: WISCONSIN Posts: 283	Grade 5 or 8 bolt thru front, then washer, then nut, then large fender washer, fire-hose or chain, washer, and then locknut. The space between back of plate and centerline of hanging material results in an angle backward at base of plate. ENJOY, Have FUN, Be SAFE. __________________ OldmanFCSA = "Oldman" at www.fcsa.org FCSA Member, SCSA Member, NRA Member, & AMA Member "Oldage & Treachery will overcome Youth & Skill"

January 23, 2021, 09:50 AM	#32
FireForged Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 1999 Location: Rebel South USA Posts: 2,074	I dont think it much matters if this scenario is real or not. Generally speaking, these sort of things do happen. They happen enough not to be considered "unbelievable". That said, I try to stay a far away as practicable in regards to the impact area of any fired projectiles. Is this ricochet possible? probably __________________ Life is a web woven by necessity and chance...

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January 15, 2021, 07:29 PM	#27
cdoc42 Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,687	Can you please describe the process that results in a chain or hose that holds a steel plate presenting a 15-degree angle as opposed to the natural inclination of a hanging object to assume a 90 degree position?

January 17, 2021, 02:46 PM	#30
cdoc42 Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,687	Thank you both!!

January 20, 2021, 01:25 AM	#31
Frisco Member Join Date: August 29, 2017 Location: Flagstaff AZ Posts: 43	I think of it this way... I have been shooting competition for three decades, and in multiple disciplines. I have "seen some strange stuff" vis a vis ricochets and splash back hits on over the years. Even if the scenario is "highly unlikely", I will always "allow for the possibility" of some totally random galaxy defying "strange perfect storm of bad luck" to send metal back from the direction which it came. I was shooting a TNS match at Rio Salado a few years back, and I was on Stage 1 and got hit in the left shin by what could only be explained as a double richochet from Stage 2. No, it wasn't a bad hit, mostly just a tiny bit of lead and some copper...but I bled like a stuck pig for a couple of minutes. I wasn't "hurt"...just an owie that was handled by a bandage and I finished the match...but damned if it wasn't "one 'nem things". So, if it's been debunked...cool. But I still allow for the possibility and like Norm "Always wear safety glasses".