Easing into shotgun reloading - Page 6

Metal god · January 13, 2021, 03:49 PM

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The crimp is not as deep as it should be. You want a rolled ring inside and a slightly lower star. Your looks like it will come loose.

OK , I'll see what I can do , it's a pretty firm crimp but not bottomed out on the press . I was worried about collapsing the legs on the wad . I'm assuming if I force the crimp more the wad flexing is what's going to give me the crimp I need ? Not sure how else I'm going to get the correct crimp with out changing powder .

Metal god · January 13, 2021, 04:20 PM

Ok here's what I get

Single pull of the final crimp bottoming out on the press . Interestingly I can push that point down with moderate force by hand .

This one was 3 pulls of the final crimp lowering it more each time until bottoming out also turning the shell each pull . This looks to be as good as it gets with these components .

peterg7 · January 13, 2021, 06:20 PM

What’s your choke? With mod or full I get a nice 6-8” pattern.

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USSR · January 13, 2021, 07:11 PM

Suggestion: Try Remington STS/Gun Club hulls with the same load. That's what I use and I get nice crimps using the CB1114-12 (WAA12F114) wad. The AAHS hulls have just a little less internal capacity and that accounts for your less than stellar crimps.

Don

Metal god · January 13, 2021, 08:44 PM

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What’s your choke? With mod or full I get a nice 6-8” pattern.

I don't know much about shotguns but don't think mine has a choke . It's a Mossberg 500 tac like the one below .

Marco Califo · January 13, 2021, 09:02 PM

We used to call those riot guns and they were cylinder bore (no choke constriction). That photo does show something at the muzzle whete the barrel is larger. If you unload the gun and look into the muzzle, you may or may not see little notches at the end of the bore, there would be 4 equi-distant. Those are lugs for a choke wrench to unscrew. Most all waterfowl and sporting clays shotguns use choke tubes, and for steel shot you use one step less constriction than for lead.
If you dont see the 4 notches, you have cylinder bore only. Which is good for buckshot and slugs.
Edit: twist adjustable chokes do exist, but are uncommon

peterg7 · January 13, 2021, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal god

I don't know much about shotguns but don't think mine has a choke . It's a Mossberg 500 tac like the one below .

25 yards will be pushing it then

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FITASC · January 13, 2021, 09:19 PM

Ideally you want the top of the shell's crimp to be slightly recessed (NOT concave)

Metal god · January 13, 2021, 10:50 PM

Yeah this is called a Breacher barrel designed to breach doors , no groves or anything inside unless the muzzle device is screwed into where the choke would go . I did not see a seem in the bore , although it looks like a separate device . The bore looks seamlessly smooth to the muzzle . I guess you're supposed to be able to pound the muzzle at the door knob or hinge areas of doors to weaken them . When I bought it the whole gun just looked cool to me , still does and it's a 500 so it's going to work . I have another 500 that's bare bones minimal with a 20" barrel . As stated before I'm not a shotgun guy but every red blooded American should have a couple regardless

So you guys think those Remington hulls will allow the wad to sit a tad lower ? I found some instock (once fired) 1k for $36 . I'm ready to buy if that's really a good idea . I'll add the Hodgdon website suggest CCI 209M primers though . I might be able to find some locally but if not do I dare ask if the Win 209 primers I have will work ? I also noticed the Remington hulls data can take a full grain more of powder then the Win hulls .

USSR · January 14, 2021, 04:14 PM

Yes, with the same amount of powder, the wad will sit slightly lower in the Rem hulls.

Don

January 13, 2021, 04:20 PM	#127
Metal god Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2012 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 6,876	Ok here's what I get Single pull of the final crimp bottoming out on the press . Interestingly I can push that point down with moderate force by hand . This one was 3 pulls of the final crimp lowering it more each time until bottoming out also turning the shell each pull . This looks to be as good as it gets with these components . __________________ If Jesus had a gun , he'd probably still be alive ! I almost always write my posts regardless of content in a jovial manor and intent . If that's not how you took it , please try again .

January 13, 2021, 07:11 PM	#129
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	Suggestion: Try Remington STS/Gun Club hulls with the same load. That's what I use and I get nice crimps using the CB1114-12 (WAA12F114) wad. The AAHS hulls have just a little less internal capacity and that accounts for your less than stellar crimps. Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

January 13, 2021, 09:02 PM	#131
Marco Califo Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2011 Location: LA (Greater Los Angeles Area) Posts: 2,598	We used to call those riot guns and they were cylinder bore (no choke constriction). That photo does show something at the muzzle whete the barrel is larger. If you unload the gun and look into the muzzle, you may or may not see little notches at the end of the bore, there would be 4 equi-distant. Those are lugs for a choke wrench to unscrew. Most all waterfowl and sporting clays shotguns use choke tubes, and for steel shot you use one step less constriction than for lead. If you dont see the 4 notches, you have cylinder bore only. Which is good for buckshot and slugs. Edit: twist adjustable chokes do exist, but are uncommon __________________ ............ Last edited by Marco Califo; January 13, 2021 at 10:58 PM. Reason: Mention adjustable choke ends.

January 13, 2021, 09:19 PM	#133
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Ideally you want the top of the shell's crimp to be slightly recessed (NOT concave) __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

January 13, 2021, 10:50 PM	#134
Metal god Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2012 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 6,876	Yeah this is called a Breacher barrel designed to breach doors , no groves or anything inside unless the muzzle device is screwed into where the choke would go . I did not see a seem in the bore , although it looks like a separate device . The bore looks seamlessly smooth to the muzzle . I guess you're supposed to be able to pound the muzzle at the door knob or hinge areas of doors to weaken them . When I bought it the whole gun just looked cool to me , still does and it's a 500 so it's going to work . I have another 500 that's bare bones minimal with a 20" barrel . As stated before I'm not a shotgun guy but every red blooded American should have a couple regardless So you guys think those Remington hulls will allow the wad to sit a tad lower ? I found some instock (once fired) 1k for $36 . I'm ready to buy if that's really a good idea . I'll add the Hodgdon website suggest CCI 209M primers though . I might be able to find some locally but if not do I dare ask if the Win 209 primers I have will work ? I also noticed the Remington hulls data can take a full grain more of powder then the Win hulls . __________________ If Jesus had a gun , he'd probably still be alive ! I almost always write my posts regardless of content in a jovial manor and intent . If that's not how you took it , please try again .

January 13, 2021, 06:20 PM	#128
peterg7 Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2017 Posts: 316	What’s your choke? With mod or full I get a nice 6-8” pattern. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

January 14, 2021, 04:14 PM	#135
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	Yes, with the same amount of powder, the wad will sit slightly lower in the Rem hulls. Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor