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Thanks, guys.
I did not intend to hijack the thread, but may have inadvertently. Denis, Are there any rumblings yet about other variants (Ps, XLRs, etc.)? Or are they just testing the market with the 'base model' for now?
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Yes, there are rumblings.
But, if you're not gonna buy any I'm gonna tell 'em not to bother. Just look at what happened with the .444.... Denis |
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Good to know.
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I love the fact that marlin offered the 444 with a "non-stupid" rifling twist finally. They still twist the 44s at 1-38 and even marlin doesn't have any good reason why.
But one bullet that is outstanding in the 444 from antelope does to bull moose is the 310 grain Lee gas-check. It's basically a 320 grain LBT with a 2nd cannelure so it drops 10 grains, but it is the cats meow in the 44 mags (if you get a correct twist) and in the 444 (again with the correct twist) It's the largest 44 bullet you'll see if you use this link. https://leeprecision.com/bullet-cast...-bullet-molds/ If you have the Ballard rifling you'll love it. Cast hard with good lube it's super accurate and doesn't lead the bore, and it kills things like a a 444 should. Exits from big moose and all elk are common. |
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Yes, because SAMMI can't tell anyone why they are twisted 1-38. Even the 44 carbines from Ruger were twisted that way in the 60s and the spec for the cartridge in handguns was 1-20"
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The 444's 1:38" twist rate was set by Marlin, because that's what they were already using for their .44 Mag barrels.
The .44 Mag barrels using that twist rate? I have no definitive answer, but most people that dig into the subject tend to agree that it is a carry-over from .44-40. (And later also carried over to .45 Colt, because less tooling was needed if they kept the same twist rate.) A small group of people believe it is because S&W produced some of their .44 Russian revolvers with that twist rate, and Marlin copied it. But, as with anything Marlin, there's no paper trail to follow. On the more obscure side, I've read that it goes back to a Russian specification for .44 Russian revolvers and a twist rate of 1 revolution per arshin (Russian 'yard'). However, it is unlikely that an official order would use a 38" standard for the arshin, when the more widely used arshin was 28". (More confusion and discussion could be had by looking at the various Russian 'inches'. But... I really don't think it's the origin of the 1:38" twist, anyway...) Quote:
It is a very popular bullet with people that cast .44 caliber. So, obtaining samples shouldn't be very difficult.
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Franken, I shoot the lee 310(WW alloy) in my 444, and yes bullet must be seated deeper. I use the lee factory crimp die to crimp.
My rifle is from '81, micro-groove. With a load of varget i can get under 1.5" at 100 yds |
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