Cut Shells and their uses - Page 2

TomADC · March 23, 2016, 10:08 AM

I'm not sure you are going to find a 10 gauge slug mold, Lee makes 12 ga in 7/8 & 1 oz you could probably come up with a buffered load using one of these.

fatbill · March 23, 2016, 10:18 AM

I've never even heard of a 10 gauge slug mold. Just get some federal 10 gauge rifled slugs, I think they're roughly the same price as shot, and it'll be the hell of a lot less expensive then paying for a new barrel. Plus they are way more effective and more accurate.

darkgael · March 23, 2016, 11:33 AM

Regardless of the length of a shell, the exterior diameter is 0.7980" or about 80 caliber. The diameter of a cylinder bore barrel is (depending on the barrel) 0.729" about 73 caliber.
So....shooting a cut shell amounts to firing an 80 caliber projectile down a 73 caliber barrel.
Good idea? Nuh-uh.
Pete

jaguarxk120 · March 23, 2016, 11:42 AM

Plus the fact when the cut shell idea came out shell bodies were made of paper.

The paper section that when down the barrel is easier to swage down that a plastic piece.

And as said when that piece of plastic and shot (steel?) hit the choke barrel pressures go sky high.

johnwilliamson062 · March 23, 2016, 02:17 PM

I missed it was 10 ga. You probably need one custom made for that.
12 GA $32 directly from lee, and I am sure you can get them elsewhere a little cheaper.
http://leeprecision.com/bullet-casti...let-slug-mold/

g.willikers · March 23, 2016, 02:31 PM

There's videos on youtube showing how to make home made slug molds out of all kinds of things - from socket tools to wood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_BUDBbdA6A

T_PRO_Z · March 24, 2016, 07:58 AM

i thought you couldn't shoot slugs out of a full choke?. im thinking of taking it to a gunsmith and having them just cut the end off that way it is cyl. bore all the way through. it has a 22" barrel so if I wanted to make it 18.5 should take the choke out right?

g.willikers · March 24, 2016, 09:30 AM

Not all shotgun barrels are completely straight the whole length.
While barrel makers seem to make sure the muzzle and choke line up with the chamber, the rest of the barrel may not.
At least not enough for shooting slugs.
Something to consider before cutting.
Best to check the barrel straightness, first, especially for shooting slugs rather than shot.
Just a thought.

TomADC · March 24, 2016, 11:21 AM

Instead of cutting the barrel why not use something like a brake cylinder hone and take the inside measurement from .745 full to .770/.775, bet it wouldn't take long and it would be cheap. Need a pair of calipers & snap gage the choke on those guns shouldn't go to far into the barrel, use a light oil when honing.

g.willikers · March 24, 2016, 12:42 PM

^^^^
Shotgun barrels are kind of thin, more so where the choke threads are located.
Would even a full choked barrel be thick enough there to safely hone out?

TomADC · March 24, 2016, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Shotgun barrels are kind of thin, more so where the choke threads are located.
Would even a full choked barrel be thick enough there to safely hone out?

I believe his is a fix choked barrel no threads to worry about, opening a .745 to .775 is .030 or .015 from each side.

Blindstitch · March 24, 2016, 01:20 PM

There was a guy people were recommending that would add chokes to barrels for $50. Why not just do that. This gun had to have had a purpose to be built the way it is. I'm pretty sure that purpose is a goose or turkey gun. Why not just sell it and buy something with interchangeable barrels.

TomADC · March 24, 2016, 01:43 PM

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There was a guy people were recommending that would add chokes to barrels for $50. Why not just do that. This gun had to have had a purpose to be built the way it is. I'm pretty sure that purpose is a goose or turkey gun. Why not just sell it and buy something with interchangeable barrels.

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i thought you couldn't shoot slugs out of a full choke?. I'm thinking of taking it to a gunsmith and having them just cut the end off that way it is cyl. bore all the way through. it has a 22" barrel so if I wanted to make it 18.5 should take the choke out right?

Barrel is 22" long per OP maybe turkey? plus only has $200 into it wants to do slugs maybe a hd gun?

FITASC · March 24, 2016, 02:24 PM

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There was a guy people were recommending that would add chokes to barrels for $50. Why not just do that. This gun had to have had a purpose to be built the way it is. I'm pretty sure that purpose is a goose or turkey gun. Why not just sell it and buy something with interchangeable barrels.

That would be Mike Orlen in MA. Comes with a lot of good press on ShotgunWorld; best to call. He's a Mod there.

drobs · March 25, 2016, 12:50 AM

Won't help the op but there is a fella on ebay cutting and threading 12 ga & 20 ga barrels for chokes.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/311401523303...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Thinking I may send him my H&R single shot 12 ga barrel.

Gunplummer · March 26, 2016, 08:47 AM

"Shotgun barrels are kind of thin". They are now. Take a good look at the thickness of an old tube compared to a new tube. I would not be surprised if repeated shooting of cut shells would stretch/expand the tube. The poster was right about the "Schmegg" left in the barrel from the plastic. It actually welds to the tube. I have an old H&R single that jams with factory buckshot. The shells are a little too long for the chamber and the end of the shell welds in the tube.

Dreaming100Straight · March 27, 2016, 03:19 AM

Gunplummer, Is it possible that your shotgun is chambered for 2-1/2" shells?

trapper9260 · March 27, 2016, 08:54 AM

Years ago when the steel shot was in law for water fowl I had my side by side 10ga bore out from full to Imp cyl. by a gunsmith.I was able to use steel in it after with out any problems.He said I just brought the price up on the gun because alot of guns was down value because of the new law at the time for waterfowl. As for putting chokes on the gun it depends on how thick the barrel is. I had look into not long ago about have it done to my 10, but there was not enough room and the barrel was not thick enough after what was done before for how it look. I did had my 12 ga pump put chokes on it and it work out. It was my dad's gun of years ago and had done something to it and part of the barrel was off the end and was looking for another barrel to replace it but there was none that would work because of the age of the gun .and then had chocks put on it and all is good now.

Gunplummer · March 31, 2016, 04:58 PM

No, 2 3/4 chamber. May be slightly short, who knows. Shoots 2 3/4 shot and slugs fine.

March 23, 2016, 10:08 AM	#26
TomADC Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: San Diego County Posts: 795	I'm not sure you are going to find a 10 gauge slug mold, Lee makes 12 ga in 7/8 & 1 oz you could probably come up with a buffered load using one of these. __________________ US Navy Retired,NRA Life Member,SASS member, Time magazine's Person of the Year 2006!

March 23, 2016, 11:33 AM	#28
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	Dimensions Regardless of the length of a shell, the exterior diameter is 0.7980" or about 80 caliber. The diameter of a cylinder bore barrel is (depending on the barrel) 0.729" about 73 caliber. So....shooting a cut shell amounts to firing an 80 caliber projectile down a 73 caliber barrel. Good idea? Nuh-uh. Pete __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member

March 23, 2016, 02:17 PM	#30
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	I missed it was 10 ga. You probably need one custom made for that. 12 GA $32 directly from lee, and I am sure you can get them elsewhere a little cheaper. http://leeprecision.com/bullet-casti...let-slug-mold/ Last edited by johnwilliamson062; March 23, 2016 at 02:34 PM.

March 23, 2016, 02:31 PM	#31
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	There's videos on youtube showing how to make home made slug molds out of all kinds of things - from socket tools to wood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_BUDBbdA6A __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

March 24, 2016, 09:30 AM	#33
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	Not all shotgun barrels are completely straight the whole length. While barrel makers seem to make sure the muzzle and choke line up with the chamber, the rest of the barrel may not. At least not enough for shooting slugs. Something to consider before cutting. Best to check the barrel straightness, first, especially for shooting slugs rather than shot. Just a thought. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

March 23, 2016, 10:18 AM	#27
fatbill Member Join Date: July 25, 2013 Posts: 27	I've never even heard of a 10 gauge slug mold. Just get some federal 10 gauge rifled slugs, I think they're roughly the same price as shot, and it'll be the hell of a lot less expensive then paying for a new barrel. Plus they are way more effective and more accurate.

March 23, 2016, 11:42 AM	#29
jaguarxk120 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,619	Plus the fact when the cut shell idea came out shell bodies were made of paper. The paper section that when down the barrel is easier to swage down that a plastic piece. And as said when that piece of plastic and shot (steel?) hit the choke barrel pressures go sky high.

March 24, 2016, 07:58 AM	#32
T_PRO_Z Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2016 Location: V.A. Posts: 170	i thought you couldn't shoot slugs out of a full choke?. im thinking of taking it to a gunsmith and having them just cut the end off that way it is cyl. bore all the way through. it has a 22" barrel so if I wanted to make it 18.5 should take the choke out right?

March 24, 2016, 11:21 AM	#34
TomADC Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: San Diego County Posts: 795	Instead of cutting the barrel why not use something like a brake cylinder hone and take the inside measurement from .745 full to .770/.775, bet it wouldn't take long and it would be cheap. Need a pair of calipers & snap gage the choke on those guns shouldn't go to far into the barrel, use a light oil when honing. __________________ US Navy Retired,NRA Life Member,SASS member, Time magazine's Person of the Year 2006! Last edited by TomADC; March 24, 2016 at 11:44 AM.

March 24, 2016, 12:42 PM	#35
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	^^^^ Shotgun barrels are kind of thin, more so where the choke threads are located. Would even a full choked barrel be thick enough there to safely hone out? __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

March 24, 2016, 01:20 PM	#37
Blindstitch Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2013 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 2,692	There was a guy people were recommending that would add chokes to barrels for $50. Why not just do that. This gun had to have had a purpose to be built the way it is. I'm pretty sure that purpose is a goose or turkey gun. Why not just sell it and buy something with interchangeable barrels.

March 25, 2016, 12:50 AM	#40
drobs Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2015 Location: South Central MO / Africa Posts: 1,111	Won't help the op but there is a fella on ebay cutting and threading 12 ga & 20 ga barrels for chokes. http://www.ebay.com/itm/311401523303...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Thinking I may send him my H&R single shot 12 ga barrel. __________________ NRA Life Member

March 26, 2016, 08:47 AM	#41
Gunplummer Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2010 Location: South East Pa. Posts: 3,364	"Shotgun barrels are kind of thin". They are now. Take a good look at the thickness of an old tube compared to a new tube. I would not be surprised if repeated shooting of cut shells would stretch/expand the tube. The poster was right about the "Schmegg" left in the barrel from the plastic. It actually welds to the tube. I have an old H&R single that jams with factory buckshot. The shells are a little too long for the chamber and the end of the shell welds in the tube.

March 27, 2016, 03:19 AM	#42
Dreaming100Straight Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2013 Posts: 1,235	Gunplummer, Is it possible that your shotgun is chambered for 2-1/2" shells?

March 27, 2016, 08:54 AM	#43
trapper9260 Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2010 Location: Iowa Posts: 119	Years ago when the steel shot was in law for water fowl I had my side by side 10ga bore out from full to Imp cyl. by a gunsmith.I was able to use steel in it after with out any problems.He said I just brought the price up on the gun because alot of guns was down value because of the new law at the time for waterfowl. As for putting chokes on the gun it depends on how thick the barrel is. I had look into not long ago about have it done to my 10, but there was not enough room and the barrel was not thick enough after what was done before for how it look. I did had my 12 ga pump put chokes on it and it work out. It was my dad's gun of years ago and had done something to it and part of the barrel was off the end and was looking for another barrel to replace it but there was none that would work because of the age of the gun .and then had chocks put on it and all is good now.

March 31, 2016, 04:58 PM	#44
Gunplummer Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2010 Location: South East Pa. Posts: 3,364	No, 2 3/4 chamber. May be slightly short, who knows. Shoots 2 3/4 shot and slugs fine.