Miscellaneous old revolver

Niles.nemo · July 14, 2013, 06:25 PM

I have had this weapon passed down in my family for many many years and i am interested in its value.
The only reason i call it that is because that's what one of the pawn shops told me haha.
Only has two or three markings,
/GG\ and a 13
\Z/
i have attached a few photos of the revolver in hope to figure out what it is?

Any information is useful thanks!!
Sincerely, Niles.Nemo

**Tom Servo** · July 14, 2013, 07:01 PM

Looks like one of the old Velo Dogs.

Deaf Smith · July 14, 2013, 07:09 PM

Looks like a good gun for your opponent to have.

Deaf

James K · July 14, 2013, 07:25 PM

The cylinder is not long enough for it to be a Velo-Dog. It is almost certainly Belgian, probably .320, and would fire the old .32 Colt cartridge. DO NOT fire .32 ACP under any circumstances.

Check around the barrel for an oval with the letters ELG in it; that is the Liege proof mark and would confirm the Belgian manufacture. Value is low, under $100 and would sell only as a novelty, not as a serious firearm.

Jim

Jim Watson · July 14, 2013, 07:32 PM

Left behind at the move...

You show a "Baby Bulldog", one of many from different small makers and guilds who were not proud enough of their work to put a brand name on it.
Caliber is likely either .320 or .380; European relatives of .32 and .38 Short Colt.
Resale value is not much. You had just as well keep it and make up stories about it.

Add The Zhuk book shows 70 guns of the general type, many whose maker is not known.

These days we think a lot about "stopping power" because we know that a wounded assailant will be treated with antibiotics at taxpayer expense and he knows that, too.
When these little guns were current, any penetrating wound had a danger of infection and even a small caliber could be a deadly deterrent.

Niles.nemo · July 14, 2013, 07:50 PM

The only markings it has are
GG and two 13's both under the barrel
z

it cant take a cartridge because the cylinder doesnt slide out it has a little flip up on the side to load one bullet at a time.

TennJed · July 14, 2013, 11:07 PM

I hope I don't offend, but since you mentioned value and pawn shop in the same post. If it was passed down in your family for many years (as you said) I hope you are not considering selling it. If you are please try to find a close family member to sell it to. The previous owners kept it in the family for a reason

Bill Akins · July 15, 2013, 02:16 AM

James K and Jim Watson are both correct. It is a Belgium copy of a British bulldog revolver. Go to this below link and right click and open in new window any of the pics that looks like your revolver, then when that page opens to show a larger version of that pic, then click on "visit page" on the right hand side of the page. That will take you to whatever article or otherwise that was written that goes with that picture. I see quite a few that are like yours at this link. Hopefully this will help you get the info you seek.

http://www.google.com/search?q=belgi...w=1270&bih=678

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James K · July 15, 2013, 07:17 PM

While it is probably Belgian, such guns were also made in Germany, France, and Spain. They were sold from about the 1870's up to WWI and were the European equivalents of the inexpensive American revolvers of the same approximate era.

The British revolvers of the same general type antedated those continental revolvers by several years, but the British guns were generally of a larger caliber and almost always had a conventional trigger guard, not a folding trigger.

Jim

July 14, 2013, 06:25 PM	#1
Niles.nemo Junior Member Join Date: July 14, 2013 Posts: 4	Miscellaneous old revolver I have had this weapon passed down in my family for many many years and i am interested in its value. The only reason i call it that is because that's what one of the pawn shops told me haha. Only has two or three markings, /GG\ and a 13 \Z/ i have attached a few photos of the revolver in hope to figure out what it is? Any information is useful thanks!! Sincerely, Niles.Nemo

July 14, 2013, 07:01 PM	#2
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	Looks like one of the old Velo Dogs. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

July 14, 2013, 07:09 PM	#3
Deaf Smith Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2000 Location: Texican! Posts: 4,453	Looks like a good gun for your opponent to have. Deaf __________________ “To you who call yourselves ‘men of peace,’ I say, you are not safe without men of action by your side” Thucydides

July 14, 2013, 11:07 PM	#7
TennJed Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2010 Posts: 1,536	I hope I don't offend, but since you mentioned value and pawn shop in the same post. If it was passed down in your family for many years (as you said) I hope you are not considering selling it. If you are please try to find a close family member to sell it to. The previous owners kept it in the family for a reason __________________ Find out just how tall I am By jumping in the middle of a river

July 15, 2013, 02:16 AM	#8
Bill Akins Senior Member Join Date: August 28, 2007 Location: Hudson, Florida Posts: 1,135	James K and Jim Watson are both correct. It is a Belgium copy of a British bulldog revolver. Go to this below link and right click and open in new window any of the pics that looks like your revolver, then when that page opens to show a larger version of that pic, then click on "visit page" on the right hand side of the page. That will take you to whatever article or otherwise that was written that goes with that picture. I see quite a few that are like yours at this link. Hopefully this will help you get the info you seek. http://www.google.com/search?q=belgi...w=1270&bih=678 . __________________ "This is my Remy and this is my Colt. Remy loads easy and topstrap strong, Colt balances better and never feels wrong. A repro black powder revolver gun, they smoke and shoot lead and give me much fun. I can't figure out which one I like better, they're both fine revolvers that fit in my leather". "To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target".

July 14, 2013, 07:25 PM	#4
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The cylinder is not long enough for it to be a Velo-Dog. It is almost certainly Belgian, probably .320, and would fire the old .32 Colt cartridge. DO NOT fire .32 ACP under any circumstances. Check around the barrel for an oval with the letters ELG in it; that is the Liege proof mark and would confirm the Belgian manufacture. Value is low, under $100 and would sell only as a novelty, not as a serious firearm. Jim

July 14, 2013, 07:32 PM	#5
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	Left behind at the move... You show a "Baby Bulldog", one of many from different small makers and guilds who were not proud enough of their work to put a brand name on it. Caliber is likely either .320 or .380; European relatives of .32 and .38 Short Colt. Resale value is not much. You had just as well keep it and make up stories about it. Add The Zhuk book shows 70 guns of the general type, many whose maker is not known. These days we think a lot about "stopping power" because we know that a wounded assailant will be treated with antibiotics at taxpayer expense and he knows that, too. When these little guns were current, any penetrating wound had a danger of infection and even a small caliber could be a deadly deterrent.

July 14, 2013, 07:50 PM	#6
Niles.nemo Junior Member Join Date: July 14, 2013 Posts: 4	The only markings it has are GG and two 13's both under the barrel z it cant take a cartridge because the cylinder doesnt slide out it has a little flip up on the side to load one bullet at a time.

July 15, 2013, 07:17 PM	#9
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	While it is probably Belgian, such guns were also made in Germany, France, and Spain. They were sold from about the 1870's up to WWI and were the European equivalents of the inexpensive American revolvers of the same approximate era. The British revolvers of the same general type antedated those continental revolvers by several years, but the British guns were generally of a larger caliber and almost always had a conventional trigger guard, not a folding trigger. Jim